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Insurance and Traveller

Enoki

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I don't think there's really rules or a mechanism for this in the game currently, but it would make things interesting...

Players could buy insurance for things like cargo, their ship, life, etc., just like people do now. A simple table to assess risk would be necessary and the payout divided by risk over the term of the policy determines payment.

Where it becomes interesting is a player deciding to commit insurance fraud. Can't pay for your ship? Find a way to get the insurance on it to cough up and pay it off for you..

Can't make a profit on cargo? Somehow "lose" it and get covered by insurance.

These are real things that people have done for centuries. Why not add it in here? Of course, the insurance company might suspect fraud and send bounty hunters after you...

Think of the new twists that come with this!
 
A quick google and I found a shipping FAQ...

A couple key paras from that:
Q: How much does marine cargo insurance cost?
In most cases, the insurance cost is around 0.5% of the total value of the cargo. This cost will vary based on the type of goods, the origin and destination, and whether it’s being shipped in a closed or open container.



Q: What’s covered?
Generally, you’re covered for any physical loss or damage that occurs during transport. Even though it’s called “marine” cargo insurance, it can cover the entire journey, door to door. For instance, if I.C.E. Transport issues a door-to-door bill of lading, then that would result in door-to-door insurance coverage. If damage occurs on a truck moving to or from the port, the trucking company’s policy would reimburse for a portion of the cargo value (based on coverage limitations) and the all risk policy would cover the balance.

https://www.freightos.com/freight-resources/freight-insurance/ gives

Freight Insurance Cost

On average, freight insurance premiums cost around 0.3% to 0.5% of the commercial invoice value of the goods. But costs can vary based on factors like:

  • Type and value of goods being shipped
  • Mode of transport (air, sea, road, rail)
  • Destination country and shipping route
  • Level of cover selected
To keep your freight insurance costs down, consider steps like:

  • Properly packing and labeling your cargo to minimize risks
  • Providing accurate declarations and documentation to avoid disputes
  • Choosing reputable, experienced carriers with good safety records
  • Opting for appropriate, not excessive, levels of cover
It’s all about finding the right balance of protection and cost for your unique needs.

Given the much higher risks inherent in CT Jump rules, I'd treble that; MT or TNE, due to misjumps not always being "Where the «BLEEP» are we???", I'd use about double.

But note: the shipping companies will sell you a policy, but they don't usually take one out themselves unless going through known pirate waters.
 
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Given the much higher risks inherent in CT Jump rules, I'd treble that; MT or TNE, due to misjumps not always being "Where the «BLEEP» are we???", I'd use about double.
According to Bk.2 '81, if the ship is being run responsibly there is no chance of a misjump.

Book 2 said:
Misjump: Each time the ship engages in a jump, throw 13+ for a misjump: Apply the following DMs: +1
if using unrefined fuel (and not equipped to do so), +5 if within 100 planetary diameters of a world, +15 if within 10 planetary diameters of a world. If the result is 16+, then the ship is destroyed.

But note: the shipping companies will sell you a policy, but they don't usually take one out themselves unless going through known pirate waters.
A shipping company probably has some kind of insurance against claims, and against accidents, etc. Of course large companies and mega-corps would probably self-insure.
 
Insurance requires oversight and risk management.

And outside of planetary orbit, that may be a bit tough.
Hortalez et cie does insurance, though whether it includes freight and shipping insurance I'm not sure. But they have an Imperium-wide reach, so interstellar insurance is clearly a thing. Besides, if banks can effectively enforce mortgages with low enough risk that they'll accept 40-year loans on starships at quite low interest rates, insurance companies should be able to manage insurance plans and risks.
 
Hortalez et cie does insurance, though whether it includes freight and shipping insurance I'm not sure. But they have an Imperium-wide reach, so interstellar insurance is clearly a thing. Besides, if banks can effectively enforce mortgages with low enough risk that they'll accept 40-year loans on starships at quite low interest rates, insurance companies should be able to manage insurance plans and risks.
They do repatriation bonds for mercs, a risky political and guns business, so starship Lloyds should be on the menu.
 
Also, recall this from GT: Far Trader, p.51 (Sidebar):

The Travellers’ Aid Society
The Travellers’ Aid Society (TAS) started out as a private club for gentlemen adventurers, offering a place of refuge, an exchange of information and a source of contacts to travelers far from home. Over the years, the TAS has grown into one of the largest and most influential non-governmental organizations (NGOs) in the Imperium and surrounding territories. As an impartial body with Imperial scope, it provides important services to corporations and trade in addition to regular member services. . . .

Insurance Underwriters
Originally a service to members, who often couldn’t get conventional insurers to cover them for liability or loss during their more interesting activities, insurance underwriting has become the single largest moneymaker for the TAS. The Society is said to insure for or against anything for a price, and its vast information network ensures that its assessments of risk are the most up-to-date available.

The Travel Zone advisories (p. GT70) posted by the Society are an outgrowth of this risk-assessment function that the TAS shares with its members as a courtesy. These are also warnings: venturing into a posted Amber Zone (p. GT19) without paying an additional risk premium could result in non-payment of insurance claims, while deliberately entering a Red Zone (p. GT56) voids most insurance agreements. Of course, if nothing happens, there is nothing to report.
 
I figure the people that would make sure they have insurance are the ones risking millions of credits- the banks providing the loans for ships.

So my idea is that insurance is baked into the loan payment.

The insurance pays off to the bank, not the ship owner/operator, and it only pays off the remaining principal. So as such early on it is a bigger proportion of the payments. As the bank gets more of its principal back, the proportion drops.

The ship operator may have put in 20 years of sweat equity into that boat, but gets nothing. As we know the merchant cost game doesn’t have a built in profit margin except by dint of speculation and/or shenanigans, so this interpretation fits the rigged system sense of most universes.

On the other hand the owner isn’t on the hook for millions of credits, mostly a no fault insurance arrangement. That works great for Acts of Grandfather or piracy, reasonable unforeseen risk.

The insurer may not agree being the one on the hook for the payout, and seek to prove the operator was negligent or worse actively involved in the ship loss.

Negligence may result in loss of ship captain/crew rights/certification and prosecution especially for creating hazard (most notably crashing on populated worlds), intentional loss would be piracy and so liable for the whole insured loss plus criminal interstellar law proceedings.

Countervailing pressures are that interstellar justice processes are painful due to the time/distance problems, particularly witnesses, so unless there is compelling evidence the insurers are pressured by the banks to payout and have a limited window to pursue remuneration- unless people died, then that’s always open.

Could have a situation where the characters don’t get proved negligent/criminal by insurers, but they object to insurance for their replacement ship and it’s troublesome to get the loan as the bank and shipyard won’t go without coverage.

I’d have any such court cases happen at the subsector capital where the loss took place except in war then expedited admiralty courts on board ships will do.

If operators want to put on insurance, either as loan or fully paid off ships, that’s additional payment.

I’d start with 1% of the ship value per year. Very profitable business for the insurance companies, 40% of the ship value new over the course of a loan, although I think they would tend to payout actual aged value and have the ship title as collateral especially if pirated and they have salvage/recovery rights.

Should go on up in wartime or amber zones, 5% minimum and often higher. If the coverage isn’t paid for level of risk at time of loss, no payout.

Red zones, that’s tantamount to piracy with similar consequences.

A more affordable option might be insuring for the down payment instead of the whole thing, so the owner/operator can order that replacement and get back into the game.

Here is an article on a book about sailing era insurance, exactly the sort of milieu for us.


Big bucks, political manipulation, sounds like noble big play fodder.

Another play opportunity would be an insurer agent paid to find out if a loss claim is legit and gather the evidence for court proceedings. Worse in some ways then having a bounty hunter on your tail, and possibly more remunerative if the ‘aduster’ get a percentage of the recovery.
 
So my idea is that insurance is baked into the loan payment.
That's a fine idea, it just brings up new considerations.

First, there's just the flat out risk of space travel.

I'm pretty sure, LBB '81 2, that with a properly maintained ship, there is "0" risk of loss in routine operations. If you're moving cargos from A to B and back again, jumping every two weeks and doing the maintenance, the risk of loss (i.e. misjump) is pretty much nil.

Actually, it looks like unrefined fuel is the only real chance for a misjump. Use of unrefined fuel is 2.7% chance of failure, and we'll make it a swag that there's 60% chance of ship loss due to a misjump (i.e. they jump into a dead hex, which obviously depends on density). 1.6% chance of loss.

That's REALLY high. Let's say you have an insurer with 100 ships, at 40M each. 1.6% chance of loss means 1.6% * 40M =640K. 640,000/100=6,400 6400/12=533.333 (I just discovered that my Safari browser does math with it autocomplete. So, if I type 1+2=, I get the "3" "for free" -- very nice!).

Anyway, 533Cr per month per captain in insurance if each ship uses unrefined fuel just once per year. Just that single risk.

Obviously, there are a gamut of issues the insurance company has to cover. It could, for example refuse to cover the loss of a ship that is not documented as always using refined fuel.

But, anyway, the big part is that if insurance is baked into the monthly payment, then there are "cheaper" ships that self insure. Military vessels aren't insured, for example. So, we need a baseline of how much insurance costs.

Perhaps a better plan it to just bolt it on to the payment. Say, 2.5%. About 4000Cr/month for a Free Trader.
 
Banks do tend to bake in insurance into a mortgage.

More interesting would be no fault mortgage, where you can just walk away from your spacecraft, if you can't make payments, and your equity is worth crap.
 
More interesting would be no fault mortgage, where you can just walk away from your spacecraft, if you can't make payments, and your equity is worth crap.
Well, we have that now, sorta. You can just walk away from your car. In time, someone with a tow truck will come and pick it up (probably while you're at work). I don't know how friendly that can be, though. i.e. just driving it in to a dealer and telling them they can have it back. I imagine a lot of houses were walked away from during the housing crisis.

Obviously you take a ding on your credit report.

My friend put it succinctly back in the day talking about getting a new pickup truck. Basically he said "What are they going to do? Send me to debtors prison?"

It's a collateralized loan. Now, if you try to walk away from a burned out hulk on the side of the road, with no recovery from the bank, that's a different issue. I guess they can try to get a lien on you somehow to recover the monies.
 
Megatraveller Journal #1 had an advertisemet for TAS on its page 14. Among its benefits, it included:

Full medical coverage and insurance covering your travelling possessions

Of coruse, what "travelling possessions" are may be a matter of discussion...
 
I just had a thought.

The Aslan could lean on their clan to get financing.

The Vargr, financing could be fascinating.
Along those lines, Hiver insurers/investors would be hyper computational and maybe they insist on having a software program logging everything your ship does. Ya they care about the money risk but much more about what you’re doing and why.


Kkree would force militant vegan policies on ship operators.
 
Along those lines, Hiver insurers/investors would be hyper computational and maybe they insist on having a software program logging everything your ship does. Ya they care about the money risk but much more about what you’re doing and why.
The best Hiver Insurers/Investors Manipulate their Clients to be a lower Risk to Insure/Invest in.

At least, that's what I think.
 
I would expect insurance to be less like modern insurance and more like 1600's insurance, which was very expensive, commensurate with the higher risks, which Traveller seems to share.
 
With Hivers, and installed sensors/programmes, the intent might be more to hoover up electronic intelligence from the systems you pass through.

The Athenians appear to have invented insurance.

I think you needed to be in a guild, or whatever they had.
 
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