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10+ Questions You Would Ask MWM

#1 Where does current (2005) computer tech fit in TL? With all the changes that have taken place since the origional CT rules I bet I could pack the equlivalent of a model 9 or even higher in a tower for my desk. It would cost a lot less too!
#2 What about where some other technologies fit?
 
Originally posted by Andy Fralix:
#1 Where does current (2005) computer tech fit in TL? With all the changes that have taken place since the origional CT rules I bet I could pack the equlivalent of a model 9 or even higher in a tower for my desk. It would cost a lot less too!
Not to pick bones or clutter up the thread but I always grin when this question comes up.

I mean I don't expect my desktop tower PC to run flawlessly 24/7 for over a hundred years with just an annual tune-up, while exposed to all the abuse that goes with space travel
When someone builds a computer that can do all that, then we can compare Apples to Apples ;)

You're not the first to wonder Andy and you won't be the last. I vaguely recall Marc addressing this at one time but forget just where and how long ago, or maybe I imagined it.
 
Andy,
I would hope, in the far future, you wouldn't have to punch the Submit button three times to make websites work. ;)

far-trader,
Wouldn't that be comparing Apples to PCs? :lol:
 
Originally posted by Andy Fralix:
#1 Where does current (2005) computer tech fit in TL? With all the changes that have taken place since the origional CT rules I bet I could pack the equlivalent of a model 9 or even higher in a tower for my desk. It would cost a lot less too!
Will we still be pushing the "Start" button to "Shut Down" computer operations?
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Here's another one for Mark:

Why, in the early supplements like 76 Patrons, in Casual Encounters, Amber Zones and various similar venues where the characters' could find an adventure, were such a high percentage of the adventures essentially larcenous, vandalistic, or murderous in nature?

I mean, I know that the universe is a big place and you're going to get some less than nice folks, and I know that we aren't playing epic good vs. evil, but it just seemed for a time like every adventure seed involved some sort of opportunity or requirement to actively break a law. Moral flexibility seemed to be a requirement.

Was this intentional? Or accidental (just something we noted after the fact)? Or was there some sort of message here about the texture of the OTU? Or was this what playtesters seemed to think was fun?

I just find with a party of law-abiding folks, many of these types of adventures tend to be of minimal utility, and early on other alternatives seemed less represented.
 
Originally posted by kaladorn:
Here's another one for Mark:

Why, in the early supplements like 76 Patrons, in Casual Encounters, Amber Zones and various similar venues where the characters' could find an adventure, were such a high percentage of the adventures essentially larcenous, vandalistic, or murderous in nature?
As LKW has pointed out: "It's just the way gaming got done back then."

See: [TML] Ramblings on "76 Patrons".
 
WOuld you believe 'a party of people who spent long enough defending the Imperium at mortal peril of their lives, as attested by Purple Hearts and medals, that they aren't really interested in aiding Machiavellian interests involved in petty crime or in plots that the Emprie would disapprove of"?

Most of the veteran characters I know (maybe because my peer group has lots of active or ex military people in it) just can't see the whole 'petty crime' thing as an acceptable successor career for guys who went out and won MCG, MCUF, PH, and SEHs.
 
Originally posted by kaladorn:
WOuld you believe 'a party of people who spent long enough defending the Imperium at mortal peril of their lives, as attested by Purple Hearts and medals, that they aren't really interested in aiding Machiavellian interests involved in petty crime or in plots that the Emprie would disapprove of"?

Most of the veteran characters I know (maybe because my peer group has lots of active or ex military people in it) just can't see the whole 'petty crime' thing as an acceptable successor career for guys who went out and won MCG, MCUF, PH, and SEHs.
Well, I await the publication of 76: Ethical Patrons, under your nom de plume (or however it's spelled).
 
Originally posted by Fritz88:
Andy,
I would hope, in the far future, you wouldn't have to punch the Submit button three times to make websites work. ;)

far-trader,
Wouldn't that be comparing Apples to PCs? :lol:
I was having problems with my browser freezing up. I deleated the excess entries
 
Originally posted by far-trader:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Andy Fralix:
#1 Where does current (2005) computer tech fit in TL? With all the changes that have taken place since the origional CT rules I bet I could pack the equlivalent of a model 9 or even higher in a tower for my desk. It would cost a lot less too!
Not to pick bones or clutter up the thread but I always grin when this question comes up.

I mean I don't expect my desktop tower PC to run flawlessly 24/7 for over a hundred years with just an annual tune-up, while exposed to all the abuse that goes with space travel
When someone builds a computer that can do all that, then we can compare Apples to Apples ;)

You're not the first to wonder Andy and you won't be the last. I vaguely recall Marc addressing this at one time but forget just where and how long ago, or maybe I imagined it.
</font>[/QUOTE]Ever been at sea in a storm in a Destroyer? I was fortunate enough to be on a carrier, but I saw the pounding the smaller ships took just from nature. I'm sure the Navy uses computers a lot more modern than what they were using when I got out back in 1977. How do they stand up to the abuse? Anyone out in cyberspace have a knowlegeable answer to that one? I am sure main frames are a creature of the past for most purposes.
 
I mean I don't expect my desktop tower PC to run flawlessly 24/7 for over a hundred years
Not your desktop, and with somewhat more maintenance, but I've looked after systems 15+ years old that are still going strong. They are still going strong as it happens, but are no used directly by me. Good design, multiple redundancy and high quality you can do that easily. 100 years with regular maintenance would be easy by itself, the problem these days is finding the replacement hardware for Alpha's and Vaxen. This isn't an isolated example, my organisation still has machines from the early 80's still in service and still useful.

As for the space travel we might not be able to test that aspect yet
Unless there was a lot of unsheilded RF these machines should be able to stand up to that just as well.

Of course these machines originally cost millions of dollars, require people constantly maintaining them and are the size of a large two door fridge for something that most modern PDA's would be able to out-process. But for reliability there is no real match.

I am sure main frames are a creature of the past for most purposes.
You'd be surprised. A lot are creatures from the past, but a SUN20K is a nice little machine all on its own.

As is a IBM Z990 which is almost a dTon in size. 5 m^3 minimum, but with ventillation, service access and enclosure is 11 m^3.

You can go out and buy either tommorow. Get them delivered in time for late this year. And then scrounge up the 2-10 million $US to pay for them.


Of course so far the track record on the newer machines (the SUN, I have no direct contact with big iron IBM) is pitiful compared to the older machines.

Now from a service point of view you can wear your redundancy inside or out. The farm configuration (using a large number of expendable machines all to support a single service) takes up a similar ammount of space to the above big iron and can for most purposes be just as good. The failure of machines is built into a farm, you need to keep pouring new machines into the service to maintain its quality. What this leverages is the extreme cost advantage of consumer grade computer gear.

For example the primary system I look after these days runs on PC's. A direct statement, and at first implying that PC's are a good thing. They are. The service runs on 13 high quality low grade intel based computers. Because the service can run with some lost data, and the individual nodes can act independantly it works well with a farm configuration, so that is what it is in. There is also a multiple located disk array accessed via high speed dedicated fibre, as well as a shared backup facility. All this adds up to a dTon+ of gear and needs to be constantly fed sacrafices to maintain stability, not to mention new tapes and disks as the old ones wear out. This runs a glorified automated information counter (ie. a website) and does nothing else.
 
Originally posted by RainOfSteel:
Well, I await the publication of 76: Ethical Patrons, under your nom de plume (or however it's spelled).
Most of the patrons I write up are either entirely on the level or (in those case where I include the traditional 6 options) several of the options assume that they are on the level (in the rest of the options they are, of course, dirty rotten bastards).

I must admit that I'm very far from having written up 76 of them, though ;) .


Hans
 
76 Ethical Patrons.... by Jove, that sounds like a challenge... (Or '101 Non-Criminal Plots')

I think one could certainly craft 76 missions based around characters doing useful, legal, and ethical things - exploration, trade, emergency assistance, recovery of stolen goods, etc.
 
Well, Andy, I would hope the only thing in the far future that would freeze up computers would be actually exposing them directly to the cold depths of space. But, I have worked with computers for too long to think that Moore's Law will ever overcome the bug factor.

(BTW, having that happen on a forum is one thing. When you are committing a financial transaction - eek!)
 
As far as computers on ships - Oy! I spent a good portion of the last 4 years on board US Navy ships, dealing with computers. You would not (well, Andy would) believe the amount of dirt that gets into things when you are hundreds of miles out at sea! And, of course, that doesn't count crumbs, drinks, crewmembers hacking your system just so they can install a video game, etc. And, no, PCs don't take well to not being strapped down when the ship rolls - even a behemoth like a carrier. The network shop on board a command ship ('tween a destroyer and a cruiser) had 20+ spares on shelves throughout the ship (and VERY well strapped down).

You know, the mention on another thread concerning the 2kCr charge per jump (or two) may include virus/spam/malware updates when you connect to the highport's data system!
 
Originally posted by RainOfSteel:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by cweiskircher:
This could qualify for at least a Top 20 list right?
But post it to the existing top 20 list topic. </font>[/QUOTE]TY ROS,
I sould have put that in my post. ;) :D
 
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