Note that Grandfather changed the coyns several times....See CT AM Droyne, p. 45.
Or Adv 12 SotA, P 32.
Are the Aslan a major race?
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Note that Grandfather changed the coyns several times....See CT AM Droyne, p. 45.
Or Adv 12 SotA, P 32.
I figure he just used his "precognition/see-the-future" machine. We know the Ancients had this technology because the Zho found one.
And Hans proposed a set of Ancient coyns back in 1996.
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Timerover51
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Where does this bit of information appear?
Lycanorukke
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The 'star map projector' which influenced the Zho's to go on the core expeditions. First mentioned in CT: AM4 I think.
Yes, page 9.
I suppose one reason Marc is reluctant to say the Aslan got a boost from Terrans to invent the jump drive might be the idea of having a potentially important point of the OTU entangled in the copyright issues with DGP.
Timerover51
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Is the device mentioned anywhere else, as it would seem to be of some importance? If it is not, then why not? I do not own said module and probably will never buy it.
Also, there seems to be an assumption on the forum that everyone owns everything related to Traveller. A lot of us do not own everything.
Lycanorukke
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There's a summary about it here on the Trav wiki with a few sources. There is more here from a Q/A from J Fugate about the whole plotline involving the Zhodani, the Star map, Gramps and the Primordials.
The main reason it's not mentioned much is the entire plotline fizzled out when DGP folded.
One bit from the interview I would mention is this snippet in regards to the Aslan....
".... they use psionics to build a jump field instead of technology, which causes a sparkeling effect. If you want to get technical, this makes the primordials not a major race, since they don't have any jump technology. You can't, for example, steal their jump technology because there isn't anything to steal. There isn't any jump drive in their ships. That really messes up the whole minor / major race way worse than the Aslan revelation!"
BlackBat242
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Doesn't the reference in the Trav wiki that the Primordials may have invented the first jump drive clash with canon (?) written about Grandfather inventing it himself?
GypsyComet
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The device is a state secret of the Zhodani, so it only gets mentioned in their materials
Sure, but it is a simple step at this point to own quite a lot of it via Marc's reprints and PDFs, and this particular book is 35 years old. When a lot of the CT material was years out of print it was a point of pride to have enough of it to be able to discuss the OTU with references. These days that only really applies to the DGP books and some of the more obscure magazine articles. Everything that Marc has been able to legally reprint is readily available again.
No, because articles in the TravellerWiki are supposed to be written from an "In-Universe" viewpoint, as if it were an actual article that you would find in an AAB article or Ship's Library Data database. Any article about the Primordials would be limited to the knowledge and speculations of people within the Imperium at the time.
Actual game information or "Referee's Eyes Only" material should be placed on an associated "Metadata" or "Secret" page linked to the article just before the References/Credits.
mike wightman
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The article is wrong anyway.
The Primordials didn't discover the jump drive at all.
They used some sort of psionic FTL technology.
One of the reasons the Primordials may have come looking for the Ancients is to find out where this mechanical jump drive originated.
The Primordials didn't discover the jump drive at all.
They used some sort of psionic FTL technology.
One of the reasons the Primordials may have come looking for the Ancients is to find out where this mechanical jump drive originated.
I'm sure it's mentioned somewhere else; just can find it off the top of my head. For example, I'm pretty sure there's another adventure where a high-ranking Zho officer intercepts the PCs for an adventure through Zho space, after using the projector and perceiving where the PCs were going to be, so he could plan the intercept... Does anyone remember this scenario? Maybe from a magazine?
In other news, _Marc_ has permission to use as much (or as little) of the DGP material as he wants to.
Canon is for authors.
Who had better own everything, or at least get their stuff reviewed by someone who does. ;-) ;-)
Yes, but based on the standard I mentioned above, the Article is NOT wrong (at least from an in-game perspective), because Imperial scientists don't necessarily know how they achieved FTL, and the article mentions the fact that the references to the Primordials and Jump Drive are essentially conjectural. So, yes, the article is "technically" wrong from the standpoint of authorial voice, but is as correct as it can be from the standpoint of viewpoint writing.
I just added an additional note on the "Secrets" page associated with the article to clarify the actual facts.
Lycanorukke
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Assuming this is your edit - "The Primordials did not have Jump or other FTL technology, but achieved Jump thru Psionic means."
Maybe change it to "....achieved Interstellar travel thru Psionic means" or "...achieved FTL travel thru", etc to prevent confusion over Jump with Jump technology.
"Is the device mentioned anywhere else, as it would seem to be of some importance? If it is not, then why not?"
I think it probably gets mentioned when the Zho get a lot of coverage, like in the CT Zhodani module, or the MgT Zho module. It might be mentioned in QLI's The Gabriel Enigma, and there is the Deep Shadows adventure (MegaTraveller?).
I think it probably gets mentioned when the Zho get a lot of coverage, like in the CT Zhodani module, or the MgT Zho module. It might be mentioned in QLI's The Gabriel Enigma, and there is the Deep Shadows adventure (MegaTraveller?).
That's the adventure in the CT Zhodani module, and also the same basic concept in Deep Shadows, which I think brought in the minor aliens from the Shadows half of Shadows/Annic Nova.
DONE.
I like the (thoroughly heretical) notion that First Imperium was the source, directly or indirectly, of Jump Drive for most major races. And the Vilani developed it after studying fragments of Ancient technology (much less than the Geonee had to work with).
But the Solomani invented Jump on their own, without even broken bits of Ancient tech to help out. They will never let anyone forget this.
But the Solomani invented Jump on their own, without even broken bits of Ancient tech to help out. They will never let anyone forget this.
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