"Black Imperium"?

[EvilDrGanymede]

Originally posted by hunter:
Occasional reports from other areas have not been verified, but according to some scientists the area of effect is widening.

....

Deadspace is new to the game and unique to the Gateway region. It has never been encountered anywhere else in Charted Space.

Evidently it hasn't been found since the T20 era either, as it's not mentioned in CT, MT, TNE, or GT. So canonically the area can't be widening significantly or popping up in other sectors, else it would have been mentioned in the other settings.

Or is this not a problem because T20 is an 'alternate' Traveller universe?

 

[hunter]

Originally posted by Evil Dr Ganymede:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by hunter:
Occasional reports from other areas have not been verified, but according to some scientists the area of effect is widening.

....

Deadspace is new to the game and unique to the Gateway region. It has never been encountered anywhere else in Charted Space.

Evidently it hasn't been found since the T20 era either, as it's not mentioned in CT, MT, TNE, or GT. So canonically the area can't be widening significantly or popping up in other sectors, else it would have been mentioned in the other settings.
</font>[/QUOTE]Well 'canonically' none of any of the material from the T20 era has ever been mentioned in CT, MT, TNE, or GT. None of the small wars, etc.

As for the significance of Deadspace to other areas of the Imperium, no it is not significant. As I said, it has never been encountered outside of this region.

Or is this not a problem because T20 is an 'alternate' Traveller universe?

The Gateway setting is NOT an alternate Traveller universe.

Hunter

 

[EvilDrGanymede]

Originally posted by hunter:
As for the significance of Deadspace to other areas of the Imperium, no it is not significant. As I said, it has never been encountered outside of this region.

Right. So the scientists and possibilities of other 'dead' areas in the text you quoted are evidently mistaken. Cool.

The Gateway setting is NOT an alternate Traveller universe.

D'oh! I know that!! I am now wondering what the heck made me think it wasn't. Sorry

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[hunter]

Originally posted by Evil Dr Ganymede:
Right. So the scientists and possibilities of other 'dead' areas in the text you quoted are evidently mistaken. Cool.

Yes and no. Obviously Deadspace will never been a major deal within the OTU as a whole, that would represent WAY too much of a change to canon. But it may have implications for the Gateway region itself. What exactly these implications might be, well...

Hunter

 

[EvilDrGanymede]

Originally posted by hunter:
Obviously Deadspace will never been a major deal within the OTU as a whole, that would represent WAY too much of a change to canon. But it may have implications for the Gateway region itself. What exactly these implications might be, well...

Well, AFAIK nothing odd develops there by the TNE era ("by the The New Era era"?? Ack!)...

Do these 'Dead' regions move through space? It'd suck to be a populated world caught in the middle of one of those...

 

[hunter]

Originally posted by Evil Dr Ganymede:
Do these 'Dead' regions move through space? It'd suck to be a populated world caught in the middle of one of those...

There is not a lot 'officially' known about the phenomenon. The snippet I posted previously is about as 'factual' as the info comes as far as the general public's knowledge is concerned.

Hunter

 

[Morte]

Originally posted by hunter:
There is not a lot 'officially' known about the phenomenon. The snippet I posted previously is about as 'factual' as the info comes as far as the general public's knowledge is concerned.

Sounds like an adventure waiting to happen. It's not too far from my current Linkworlds game either.

 

[MJD]

Deadspace is the subject of the third Grand Adventure, and remains an influence in the Gateway Region for some time. Indeed, the phenomenon is observed on the 1248 timeline.

 

[Whipsnade]

hunter wrote:

"Deadspace is new to the game and unique to the Gateway region. It has never been encountered anywhere else in Charted Space."

"The Gateway setting is NOT an alternate Traveller universe."


Sir,

Leaving aside the dichotomy inherent in the two statements I snipped above, I suppose, if pushed, you could find something of a canonical precursor to this 'Deadspace' idea of yours in the descriptions of the 'Lanth Abyss' in the Spinward Marches. It is a stretch, but the example is there.

Some time ago, GDW's Challenge had an article entitled "Treasure Ships of the Lanth Abyss". The article intimated that the region of space in the Lanth Subsector known as the Abyss had a higher than normal percentage of misjumps and other, equally odd, jump space phenomena.

I am a bit of a fuddy duddy, besides being a grumpy old coot. As my eyesight dims, arteries harden, and hair falls out, I become more and more resistant to change; especially changes to the body of Our Olde Game's Canon. Keeping that in mind, I hope you don't mind too much if I withhold my judgement (as if my judgement is worth anything!) about 'Deadspace' until I have the pleasure of reading the adventure or other materials it debuts in.


Sincerely,
Larsen

 

[MJD]

Yes, the Abyss may have been an influence on the Deadspace concept.

As to the dichotomy, well....

That one goes back to the original 'if it aint in the very first supplement...' argument some people still live by. Just because Deadspace is not mentioned in Adventure 1 etc does not mean it hadn't been around in the past.

There's little in CT on Gateway for a start. Look at RW hisotry. How much is glossed over when you try to present a general hisdytory of, say, Europe 0-2000?

Now try to do that for the whole of Charted Space...

 

[Whipsnade]

MJD wrote:

"That one goes back to the original 'if it aint in the very first supplement...' argument some people still live by. Just because Deadspace is not mentioned in Adventure 1 etc does not mean it hadn't been around in the past."


Sir,

Which is why I added that third paragraph!

I'm a grumbler, a curmudgeon, and a old poop. I'll grouse, whine, bleat, and snivel over any mention of Deadspace and then, after reading the adventure it debuts in, quietly embrace it IMTU. Why? Because it is nifty and chock-a-block full of adventure possibilities!

It is always thus...


Sincerely,
Larsen

 

[MJD]

Works for me. Grudging acceptance by Larsen is good enough for me. I've had a little too much of the 'that's jot in Supplements 1-13 so it can't possibly exist anywhere' brigade...

 

[Whipsnade]

MJD wrote:

"Works for me. Grudging acceptance by Larsen is good enough for me. I've had a little too much of the 'that's jot in Supplements 1-13 so it can't possibly exist anywhere' brigade..."


Sir,

Well, 'grudging' is a mite too harsh. I'm sure Deadspace will be nifty, but I'd like to see it first 'cause I'm an old poop.

As for the 'If It Ain't CT It's Crap' brigade, screw 'em. That bunch want to set Traveller in stone or seal it amber never to grow or change again. They fail to realize that something that no longer grows or changes is DEAD.

Keep writing and keep fighting. Your sales are all the proof you should need.


Sincerely,
Larsen

 

[hunter]

Originally posted by Larsen E. Whipsnade:
Leaving aside the dichotomy inherent in the two statements I snipped above, I suppose, if pushed, you could find something of a canonical precursor to this 'Deadspace' idea of yours in the descriptions of the 'Lanth Abyss' in the Spinward Marches. It is a stretch, but the example is there.

Some time ago, GDW's Challenge had an article entitled "Treasure Ships of the Lanth Abyss". The article intimated that the region of space in the Lanth Subsector known as the Abyss had a higher than normal percentage of misjumps and other, equally odd, jump space phenomena.

Hmm. I honestly wasn't aware of this. Anyone have a copy of that issue and maybe could shoot me a scan of that particular article?

Hunter

 

[notagoodusername]

Hunter, if you get stuck, e-mail Pete Scarrott (if you still have his address) - he has most of the Challenege mags with Traveller stuff in, IIRC, so may be able to help. Alas, he hasn't the time to get on the boards alot recently.

Shane

 

[EvilDrGanymede]

Originally posted by MJD:
Works for me. Grudging acceptance by Larsen is good enough for me. I've had a little too much of the 'that's jot in Supplements 1-13 so it can't possibly exist anywhere' brigade...

Just so you know, I wasn't asking about Deadspace from that latter perspective. I was just wondering if it had been mentioned elsewhere before.

 

[MJD]

Sorry about my response then. I'm a bit touchy about that kind of thing (and everything else...)

 

[Arsulon]

Whoops. I screwed up that SM paraphrase regarding the Black Curtain. It notes that it's still "common for archeological and historical artifacts relating to Lucan to be destroyed in an irrational and exorcistical frenzy within the area of the former Black Sphere." Likewise, I was wrongly attributing it to the University of Delphi in the 1240's when in fact it's coming from the Regency University of Deneb, Mora, and dated NE 65. Maybe I'm being over-careful, but that's just a by-product of all the behaviour modification from grad school...

 

[michaelpooley]

I was just wondering if Deadspace is the natural "setting" for the universe before Grandfather altered it for jump space.