Canada During and After the Twilight War.

[BMonnery]

Sense? This is the same canon that writes off half the British Army

Remember, they've been at war for 5 years by this point, have had cities nuked, a Soviet Army enter onto its soil, a New American rising and successonist groups all over the place

I know it's Royal Regina Rifles, but the article missed the "Royal" and it was a direct lift.

1 RCR ISTR was in Europe, but isn't labelled as recently returned, so maybe they pulled back early?

As for units in the wrong place and names, this was written mid-80's, plenty of time for a few changes, especially with 5 years of mobilised service. (CAR did exist when the article was written)

The CABG units are labelled as recently returned. They pulled out along with the yanks in Operation Omega in 2001.

The Toronto regiments in Alberta I assume sided with Alberta so they could eat! By this point units are only vaguely connected to their homes, and if they have been in Alberta for a time they've probably picked up a lot of recruits from that area, put down roots etc.

The Waterloo Brigade appears to have been put in after two Regiments were missed entirely from the British Orbat (which had a lot of strangeness in it, which is maybe a different topic). Some bright spark wrote up a challenge article detailing them to fill the gap.

Bryn

 

[Antares Administration]

Originally posted by BMonnery:
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The Waterloo Brigade appears to have been put in after two Regiments were missed entirely from the British Orbat (which had a lot of strangeness in it, which is maybe a different topic). Some bright spark wrote up a challenge article detailing them to fill the gap.

Bryn

GATES is the German Army Training Establishment Shilo (near Shilo, Manitoba). It's only just closed down. It used to provide a training area where an armoured battle group could actually manoeuvre.

Suffield, Alberta is a similar site for the UK forces. I'd expect that those battle groups just got stranded in Canada. Waterloo is just cute because of the German culture in the area.

Paul Nemeth
AA

 

[BMonnery]

Hi,

A Canadian Orbat is in the files section of t2k: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/t2k/files/

Bryn

 

[kaladorn]

Originally posted by Antares Administration:

A few points. 1RCR is a permanent force unit garrisoned in Petawawa, ON. It would have been one of the first to deploy overseas.

Could be they fired up a 'replacement' for it at home and the original never got back, or not much of it did.

Maritime Command (New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island, Newfoundland, southern Quebec)
2/Queen's Own Rifles of Canada: 350 men Fredericton, NB).
1/Princess of Wales' Own Regiment (M): 300 men (Bathurst, NB).

My former reserve unit, whose base is Kingston Ontario. They're pretty far from home too.

Also, the Canadian Airborne Regiment no longer exists, not even as a reserve/militia unit. It has been utterly disbanded (as a result of public furor over the unit's performance in Somalia). It's more likely that the unit would be reformed as 1 Canadian Parachute Battalion, or 1 Para, the unit's name in WW2.

Good point! and a good choice. Though they could reconstitute it as the Special Service Force (Die Teuffel Brigada) or something like that, for rapid deployment and unconventional warfare.

We also don't see where JTF2 ended up.

ALBERTA FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
Alberta Defense Force (Alberta and Saskatchewan)
1/King's Own Calgary Regiment: 250 cavalry (Banff, Alta).
1/Loyal Edmonton Regiment: 400 cavalry (Grande Prairie, Alta).
1/Lord Strathcona's Horse (A): 350 men, 9 AFVs (Bowden, Alta).
2/Lord Strathcona's Horse (A): 250 men, 4 AFVs (CFB Cold Lake, Alta).
2/Ontario Regiment: 350 cavalry (Bowden, Alta).
1/Windsor Regiment: 350 men (Wainwright, Alta).
2/Windsor Regiment: 300 men (Bowden, Alta).
1/Calgary Highlander: 350 men (Rosetown, Sask).
1/Royal Winnipeg Rifles: 300 cavalry (Canora, Sask).
1/Toronto Scottish Regiment: 300 cavalry (Swift Current, Sask).

You mention the problem here with the Tor Scots, but I ask you, where is my other old unit, the SALH? (Southern Alberta Light Horse, Armoured Recce). Nowhere to be found, it seems.

Lots of weak points. But it was at least *some* kind of coverage....

 

[Antares Administration]

Originally posted by kaladorn:
We also don't see where JTF2 ended up.

JTF2 never existed when this was dreamed up. The counter-terrorist unit was dreamed up around 1991. Just before I went to Somalia (from HQ Special Service Force), they started recruiting for the unit. A lot of airborne types were interested.

The truth is that the modern CF has moved beyond the deployments and organizations dreamed up for Tw:2000. What I've been suggesting is amending the deployments and supporting storylines to incorporate the CF in 2000, rather than sticking with the CF in 1985.

By the way, the PWOR were a fly-over augmentation unit for my old outfit in Germany, HQ 4 CMBG. I had many a Gasthaus meal with the boys from Kingston.

Paul Nemeth
AA

 

[kaladorn]

Originally posted by Antares Administration:
JTF2 never existed when this was dreamed up. The counter-terrorist unit was dreamed up around 1991. Just before I went to Somalia (from HQ Special Service Force), they started recruiting for the unit. A lot of airborne types were interested.

By the way, the PWOR were a fly-over augmentation unit for my old outfit in Germany, HQ 4 CMBG. I had many a Gasthaus meal with the boys from Kingston.

Paul Nemeth
AA [/QB]

Well, you would bring up the Temporal thing! Yes, I know that's the issue. I knew several of the CERT team members who were put out to pasture (read other duties far less interesting) by the questionable transition of CERT into JTF2. JTF2 is also finding our shrinking forces a tough place to keep up quality while the pool of candidates declines in size (and maybe quality too...). Sigh.
No use dwelling on the current situation or I'd just feel bad....

Still, JTF2 should appear somewhere. (Even if inserted after the fact).

I had friends sent over with the CFB Kingston EW Squadron as perimeter security to Germany and a number of my friends have served as UNMOs. One of them is now working for the Joint Space Support Team, working with all the Yanks down in Colorado and Minnesota and the like.

Glad to see someone remembers us (PWOR) even when the gov't tries to rip the guts out of the CF....

 

[PapaGolfWhiskey]

God and the Navy We adore/When Danger threatens/Not before -- Rudyard Kipling.

I wonder where the Lake Supe's got to in that OrBat?

anyhoo...

um... so what is the canon political siutation Two Canadas's (western and central) and Quebec? where does that leave The Maratimes.

What about The RCMP? where would they fit in? They're big enough and militarised enough to be a factor. If only as scouts and light infantry. Actually Historically I think they were used as scouts and recon units. as well as serving as dispatch riders and MP's in WW1.

And you know you WILL have players who want to call their Characters Sam Steele.

 

[Antares Administration]

Originally posted by Garf:

What about The RCMP? where would they fit in? They're big enough and militarised enough to be a factor. If only as scouts and light infantry. Actually Historically I think they were used as scouts and recon units. as well as serving as dispatch riders and MP's in WW1.

And you know you WILL have players who want to call their Characters Sam Steele.

Historically, the RCMP contributed by recruiting and training mounted infantry, particularly the Canadian Mounted Rifles of the Boer War and WW1. At the time, it was said that the RCMP had more trained riders than all of the Canadian Military, Permanent Force and Militia, at the time.

Back then, their recruiting base was western Canada (back when Alberta and Saskatchewan didn't even exist as provinces). However, the fame of the Canadian Mounted Rifles (CMR) soon led to the formation of squadrons in all parts of Canada. George Pearkes was another famous ex-Mountie who joined the CMR, fought and won a Victoria Cross at Passchendale. In WW2, he commanded 2nd Cdn Infantry Brigade, and later 1st Canadian Division.

Canadian citizens have a long history of raising unsanctioned military units, primarily for foreign service. Strathcona's Horse, the Canadian Scouts, the six regiments of the Canadian Mounted Rifles, the Mackenzie-Papineau Brigade in the Spanish Civil War are all examples.

In modern times , the RCMP often have close ties to the militia units in their regions. Although there is no formal link between the two services, the RCMP could become the basis for raising and training local defence forces. This was something that I eluded to earlier as "Irregulars".

Paul Nemeth
AA

 

[kaladorn]

Originally posted by Antares Administration:
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What about The RCMP? where would they fit in? They're big enough and militarised enough to be a factor. If only as scouts and light infantry. Actually Historically I think they were used as scouts and recon units. as well as serving as dispatch riders and MP's in WW1.

</font>[/QUOTE]I worked with the RCMP across Canada for about 4 years, and spent some time on some field operations with them as well as a lot of time understanding what they do and how.

They would probably end up getting turned into a
second line military force (auxilliaries). They have some firearms training and understand discipline and uniformed life. They'd also be well set to handle behind the lines work in security (though not as heavily armed as the MPs who tend to acquire lots of weapons, since they expect to get hit by enemy SF).

Historically, the RCMP contributed by recruiting and training mounted infantry, particularly the Canadian Mounted Rifles of the Boer War and WW1. At the time, it was said that the RCMP had more trained riders than all of the Canadian Military, Permanent Force and Militia, at the time.

For the record, I think most RCMP officers today can't ride. Some can (a few). But that is relatively unusual.

Back then, their recruiting base was western Canada (back when Alberta and Saskatchewan didn't even exist as provinces). However, the fame of the Canadian Mounted Rifles (CMR) soon led to the formation of squadrons in all parts of Canada.

If one were cynical and lived in Ottawa, as I do, and had spent enough time with DND, RCMP, etc. one might observe that it has become advantageous to be a Francaphone - if you ever want to move up to the very most senior ranks. Or work in their technical support infrastructure. Others do, but it is an asset to be a primary French speaker (though fluent bilingual skill is usually required).

They still do a lot of training out of Depot in... IIRC... Saskatchewan?

Canadian citizens have a long history of raising unsanctioned military units, primarily for foreign service. Strathcona's Horse,

In that particular case, I don't think things were as 'unauthorized' as you suggest. That is to say, nobody was secretly raising a large armed force. Yes, it was privately funded (IIRC), but the Government knew about its formation and at least tacitly approved.

 

[kaladorn]

Originally posted by Garf:
God and the Navy We adore/When Danger threatens/Not before -- Rudyard Kipling.

As a former gropo, we *never* adore the Navy. Unless they're buying. Then we tolerate them.

I wonder where the Lake Supe's got to in that OrBat?

Notice LSS is represented here. They're even more out of place than PWOR.

Maritime Command (New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island, Newfoundland, southern Quebec)
2/Queen's Own Rifles of Canada: 350 men Fredericton, NB).
1/Princess of Wales' Own Regiment (M): 300 men (Bathurst, NB).
1/Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry (M, E): 300 men (Moncton, NB).
2/Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry (M, E): 350 men (Edmunston, NB).
1/Royal New Brunswick Regiment: 400 men (Sydney, NS).
1/Royal 22e Regiment (M, E, F): 250 men (New Glasgow, NS).
1/Queen's Own Rifles of Canada: 300 men (Charlottetown, PEI).
1/Newfoundland Regiment of Foot: 350 men (Gander, NFLD).
1/Royal Newfoundland Regiment: 350 men (Cornerbrook, NFLD).
2/Royal 22e Regiment (M, E, F): 350 men (Saint John's, NFLD).
1/Lake Superior Scottish Regiment: 400 men (Sherbrooke, Quebec).
2/Royal Canadian Regiment: 300 cavalry (Sherbrooke, Quebec).
1/British Columbia Regiment (A, E): 250 men, 3 AFVs (Gaspe, Quebec).
1/Canadian Airborne Regiment (E, P): 300 men (Gaspe, Quebec).
3/Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry (M, E): 400 men (Rimouski, Quebec).

um... so what is the canon political siutation Two Canadas's (western and central) and Quebec? where does that leave The Maratimes.

IIRC: The east is controlled by one chunk of the Canadian Gov't. The West, by another chunk of whta is ostensibly the same gov't, but the two branches aren't much in contact. Manitoba and Saskatchewan and the Niagra Peninsula are no mans land (Man and Sask are sort of reverted to native control, I think).

 

[PapaGolfWhiskey]

1/Lake Superior Scottish Regiment: 400 men (Sherbrooke, Quebec).

SHERBROOKE?

WTF?

Must be where they ended up after the 'invasion' of independant Quebec.

 

[Arsulon]

I'm not sure if anyone's mentioned this yet, but there's a copy of Challenge #36 featuring the Vancouver T2K adventure "Red Maple" on Ebay.

 

[Mike Bartlett]

Canada in T2K

Many thanks for the info on Canada.

I am running a T2K V2.2 Campaign where the players are themselves after the bombs drop in Saskatchewan. It has been a very interesting campaign so far.