Capturing a planet?
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If in a Traveller/Travelleresque universe, meson weaponry would be an excellent weapon, though probably somewhat more "strategic" as opposed to "tactical" - though I say that somewhat cautiously since I don't know as much about the combat usefulness of meson weapons.
What weaponry would be most useful in place of meson guns in terms of ortillery?
Also, what would be useful on the ground, once you've begun landing troops?
What weaponry would be most useful in place of meson guns in terms of ortillery?
Also, what would be useful on the ground, once you've begun landing troops?
Usefullness of meson weapons...excellent!
Alternatives to meson weapons...Use conventional missiles... bunker busters, high TNT rated explosives, etc...
There's no particular reason to use nukes from orbit to mess up the environment. It you want to kill everyone nuke the ice caps...that should cause an adequate mess. Or threaten to and hold
the world captive.
Nukes do have uses in taking out WMD response situations...but really blanketing these areas with conventional is a bit more effective.
If the world is held hostage before you land a vessel it won't matter what you put on the ground.
Heck use their own police force backed up by a your strike teams. Plant seeds of unrest in the population...make some of them want to follow you.
Been there done that.
Savage
Alternatives to meson weapons...Use conventional missiles... bunker busters, high TNT rated explosives, etc...
There's no particular reason to use nukes from orbit to mess up the environment. It you want to kill everyone nuke the ice caps...that should cause an adequate mess. Or threaten to and hold
the world captive.
Nukes do have uses in taking out WMD response situations...but really blanketing these areas with conventional is a bit more effective.
If the world is held hostage before you land a vessel it won't matter what you put on the ground.
Heck use their own police force backed up by a your strike teams. Plant seeds of unrest in the population...make some of them want to follow you.
Been there done that.
Savage
Jame wrote:
"So, what everyone's saying is that the invaders don't need to land lots of troops. Just park your task force (I would think a Carrier/Battleship Task Force/strike variant would do it) in orbit, drop some nukes or kinetic energy strikes and have a few raids/strikes."
Jame,
Yes, that's precisely what we've been saying in this increasingly silly and futile thread. You've been asking the same question over and over again in order to mine ideas for some book project. We've all been answering that same question in the same way over and over again. I even noticed you've goosed the marine raider thread this morning again AFTER you've been answered there too.
Going back over your 'explanation' of the setting of the 'book', I have come to the realization that you have no real comprehension of what that setting actually entails. One on hand, you're proposing an interstellar state with enough power to control GALAXIES while on the other hand you think they'd fret over how capture a single PLANET.
Do you know how many stars are in a galaxy? Care to guess how many planetary systems there may be? Have you even grasped how big the Milky Way is? Or how far away the nearest other galaxy is?
If the setting you propose is to be believed, your interstellar state controls TRILLIONS inhabited worlds and uses an FTL system that can easily cross MILLIONS of light-years. They have enough people to land a thousand of them for each man, women, and child on Earth and pig-pile us into submission. They have enough ships to englobe Sol and cut off our sunlight. They control galaxies, do you really think they're going to even break a sweat over a single planet?
Get real. Show your own ideas a little intellectual honesty too and follow the logical development your own setting demands. We'll all be happy to help once you decide what you really need.
Sincerely,
Larsen
"So, what everyone's saying is that the invaders don't need to land lots of troops. Just park your task force (I would think a Carrier/Battleship Task Force/strike variant would do it) in orbit, drop some nukes or kinetic energy strikes and have a few raids/strikes."
Jame,
Yes, that's precisely what we've been saying in this increasingly silly and futile thread. You've been asking the same question over and over again in order to mine ideas for some book project. We've all been answering that same question in the same way over and over again. I even noticed you've goosed the marine raider thread this morning again AFTER you've been answered there too.
Going back over your 'explanation' of the setting of the 'book', I have come to the realization that you have no real comprehension of what that setting actually entails. One on hand, you're proposing an interstellar state with enough power to control GALAXIES while on the other hand you think they'd fret over how capture a single PLANET.
Do you know how many stars are in a galaxy? Care to guess how many planetary systems there may be? Have you even grasped how big the Milky Way is? Or how far away the nearest other galaxy is?
If the setting you propose is to be believed, your interstellar state controls TRILLIONS inhabited worlds and uses an FTL system that can easily cross MILLIONS of light-years. They have enough people to land a thousand of them for each man, women, and child on Earth and pig-pile us into submission. They have enough ships to englobe Sol and cut off our sunlight. They control galaxies, do you really think they're going to even break a sweat over a single planet?
Get real. Show your own ideas a little intellectual honesty too and follow the logical development your own setting demands. We'll all be happy to help once you decide what you really need.
Sincerely,
Larsen
Jame wrote:
"Fine. I'm trolling. Good-bye, Mr. Whipsnade."
Jame,
No, you are not trolling. You just don't know what you want because you haven't honestly examined your own setting.
The scale differences between the two opponents is mind boggling. One side owns galaxies and the other is a balkanized planet. Why do you think there would be any problems with the conquest? Or that there would be a need for conquest at all?
They own innumerable worlds and can travel the unimaginable distances between them. They could merely dump the uneaten desserts from a microscopic fraction of their day care centers and cover Earth in a 10 kilometer deep sea of Jello.
Examine your setting in an honest and logical manner, determine what you actually do need, and everyone here will be happy to help. Simply asking the same nonsensical question over and over again is both a waste of bandwidth and a waste of your time.
Sincerely,
Larsen
"Fine. I'm trolling. Good-bye, Mr. Whipsnade."
Jame,
No, you are not trolling. You just don't know what you want because you haven't honestly examined your own setting.
The scale differences between the two opponents is mind boggling. One side owns galaxies and the other is a balkanized planet. Why do you think there would be any problems with the conquest? Or that there would be a need for conquest at all?
They own innumerable worlds and can travel the unimaginable distances between them. They could merely dump the uneaten desserts from a microscopic fraction of their day care centers and cover Earth in a 10 kilometer deep sea of Jello.
Examine your setting in an honest and logical manner, determine what you actually do need, and everyone here will be happy to help. Simply asking the same nonsensical question over and over again is both a waste of bandwidth and a waste of your time.
Sincerely,
Larsen
Capt. Blacklight
SOC-12
Jame,
Look, do you self a favor and read Hymm Before Battle , Gust Front , When the Devil Dances and Hell's Faire by John Ringo. He deals with Earth being Invaded by Aliens { (Posleen by the way) Also a soon to be RPG by QLI (Shameless Sucking up here) } in a very logical way. That and it is a heck of a good read. That will give you a real idea of what a massively over powering horde of aliens can do to ONE Planet.
Look, do you self a favor and read Hymm Before Battle , Gust Front , When the Devil Dances and Hell's Faire by John Ringo. He deals with Earth being Invaded by Aliens { (Posleen by the way) Also a soon to be RPG by QLI (Shameless Sucking up here) } in a very logical way. That and it is a heck of a good read. That will give you a real idea of what a massively over powering horde of aliens can do to ONE Planet.
Jame wrote:
"Alright, maybe so. But, Larsen, this is my setting, my cherished (
) setting, I can't honestly
examine it!"
Jame,
It's a good setting and a very intriguing one to boot, much like 'Lensmen'. However, if you really and truly cherish it, you owe the setting an honest examination. Think of it as 'tough love'.
By examination, I do not mean critique or dimemberment. I mean examining the setting to determine what things may fit and what things may not. The idea of your awesome, galaxy-spanning, super civilization having the slightest amount of trouble in conquering a single, lo-tech planet does not fit your setting. The idea that your awesome, galaxy-spanning, super civilization may have trouble assimilating or fully controlling every aspect on such a planet does fit the setting. The planet and it's inhabitants could get away with a certain level of 'activity' before the super-civ notices and brings the hammer down; much like mice in the walls.
"Though I would like to offer my outline for your review."
Please offer it for ALL our review. The its and peices you've let us see have whet many an appetite. My opinions on the setting matter not one whit, only your's do. I do believe however that you will do the right thing and maintain the integrity of the setting and its conditions. An honest examination of the setting will allow you to do just that.
Sincerely,
Larsen
"Alright, maybe so. But, Larsen, this is my setting, my cherished (
Jame,
It's a good setting and a very intriguing one to boot, much like 'Lensmen'. However, if you really and truly cherish it, you owe the setting an honest examination. Think of it as 'tough love'.
By examination, I do not mean critique or dimemberment. I mean examining the setting to determine what things may fit and what things may not. The idea of your awesome, galaxy-spanning, super civilization having the slightest amount of trouble in conquering a single, lo-tech planet does not fit your setting. The idea that your awesome, galaxy-spanning, super civilization may have trouble assimilating or fully controlling every aspect on such a planet does fit the setting. The planet and it's inhabitants could get away with a certain level of 'activity' before the super-civ notices and brings the hammer down; much like mice in the walls.
"Though I would like to offer my outline for your review."
Please offer it for ALL our review. The its and peices you've let us see have whet many an appetite. My opinions on the setting matter not one whit, only your's do. I do believe however that you will do the right thing and maintain the integrity of the setting and its conditions. An honest examination of the setting will allow you to do just that.
Sincerely,
Larsen
Your setting is crap.
Ok, did that break your heart?
No? Good. Your skin is hereby pronounced thick-enough. Now listen to the man try and tell you what you need to know. Self-critiquing is hard, believe you me. But it must be done. And you must figure out what you want.
And you must read Niven/Pournelle's "Footfall". Really awesome book, even if it's not exactly the same story you're looking at. Niven is the man. All bow to him (or buy him a drink).
So post your outline. The worst that can be said already has been, and you survived it.
Ok, did that break your heart?
No? Good. Your skin is hereby pronounced thick-enough. Now listen to the man try and tell you what you need to know. Self-critiquing is hard, believe you me. But it must be done. And you must figure out what you want.
And you must read Niven/Pournelle's "Footfall". Really awesome book, even if it's not exactly the same story you're looking at. Niven is the man. All bow to him (or buy him a drink).
So post your outline. The worst that can be said already has been, and you survived it.
Baen Books has A Hymn Before Battle available for free in various electronic formats.
http://www.baen.com/library/jringo.htm
If you do like it please support Baen Books by purchasing the books. (they have released many of their other books for free in the hopes that people will find book(s) that they like and buy them)
http://www.baen.com/library
And if nothing else I understand there are some Sluggy Freelance references. (esp. Bun-Bun - Ka-Click!
)Casey
Have to take a moment to support Casey's point, and Baen. They've been very good with their e-books and their insert CDs that have chunks of books (or whole books) on them. And they've got some sort of on-line buy-an-electronic-version going too. They're trying to be progressive, treat the consumer right, and still see to it that their authors get rewarded. That's as close to visionary in this day and age of IP lawsuits over everything and the RIAA and the MPAA as one can imagine. I think we should *all* support them for that alone, but the fact they have good authors and great books is the icing on the cake.
Although I think the whole Sluggy Freelance thing is overblown. And the Posleen series, though an entertaining read, involve making some very limiting assumptions about how the humans fight the Posleen which would not reflect reality (and no, I'm not just talking about the nuke prohibition, though that was one - I'm talking about a lot of other things).
It's a webcomic. IMO not quite as funny as it used to be but there's years of story to get to before that.
http://www.sluggy.com/
Bun-bun's the bunny.
Casey
http://www.sluggy.com/
Bun-bun's the bunny.
Casey
marginaleye
SOC-12
One ideal use for meson guns is to freak out would-be defenders who think they can hide/protect critical installations by burying them under a kilometer of rock and/or concrete. Think of the incredible demoralization that would quickly set in, when all those supposedly "hard targets" suddenly explode for no obvious reason -- isn't some sort of ground-penetrating "deep radar" fairly canonical? If not, it ought to be.
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