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Colt Dragoon

"The best way to kill your enemy is by surprise, from behind, and at a long distance" - Cirocco Jones' Law (although I may have slightly garbled the quote...)

No, no, no. That's the safest way to kill your enemy.

Being as this is RPG related, the best way to do it is close enough that your enemy sees you are the one who did it, and you can see the light go out of his eyes.

Or alternately, in a fist fight while your flaming ship crashes into a sun.
 
Because it has a fixed barrel and the sights are fixed to the barrel it is generally more accurate than a similar quality semi-auto



BTW: I think that is debatable. My handguns are all very heavily used Glocks of two different calibers and three different sizes. In spite of carrying and using them in all manner of weather available in the Pacific NW the sights have never drifted - even on the ones I dropped. Sometimes (and don't tell anyone) more than once, so the 22 has a scratch in the front blade I cover with Sharpie ink.

My ranges averages remained the same over the years with the guns and I never noticed having to adjust to compensate and sight issues. Same with my friends, who shoot a variety of Sigs, and Springfield Armory 1911's until our agency standardized the Glocks. Much to the consternation of those with the more expensive (and therefore "better") guns.

That said, I would say that the advantage in accuracy a revolver has over a semiauto will most likely be in the length and weight of the barrel, and the length of the sight plane. The weight of the barrel helps steady the aim and reduces muzzle flip in the heavy loads for faster follow-up shots. The length of the barrel helps with the inherent accuracy of the given round shot through it by increasing the velocity of the round. So that makes it shoot "flatter" over distance when compared to the same round shot out of a semiauto.

The average semi-auto will probably have a 3.5-4" barrel. A 6" revolver barrel gets you 2" but small differences can mean a lot in handguns, though the calibers and rounds used can sometimes make it all come out pretty even too, depending o what you want it do. That's why there are sooooo many calibers and we still have revolvers instead of everyone just using something like an FN Five-Seven these days.
 
Glocks are very accurate, especially for a "duty" weapon, assuming the shooter masters the trigger (but that is always the case, right;)). Most semi-auto pistols designed in the last 30 years or so are more accurate than the stock Browning designs of the past. Likewise, what you say in regards to revolver ergonomics (don't forget the light trigger-pull of a cocked revolver either) is very true. However, no matter how tight you make the tolerances of a locked breech the barrel & slide have to move and this changes their postion relative to one another and the sights, even if only by thousandths, with each shot. Fixed barrel revolvers and semi-autos (like target .22's) don't encounter this problem although revolvers use different chambers for each shot and this induces variability into that system. Real accuracy nuts often test and mark the individual chambers in order to only use those that shoot closest to the sight (granted this is only practical in a hunting or bullseye situation).
 
Personally, IMTU (vary, vary different then anyone else's, no personal laser weapons, no gauss weapons, no plasma or fusion guns), the Imperial Navy actually has a standard issue service revolver.

Essentially, since the ruleset I use has any automatic or semiautomatic firearm jamming about 10 percent of the time in a vacuum, (which is what all boarding actions take place in IMTU), a revolver makes a lot of sense in the backup-weapon-that-won't-jam role.

It's based off the .455 Webley IV (same caliber, top break open), double action, issued both with speedloaders and loose rounds (to speed up reloading), and has the power of a .357 magnum. With the armor piercing hardcore rounds, anyway. It also takes the same rounds as the Navy's standard issue SMG, 9mm muzzle energy but with a HEAP shaped charge warhead. Those pack a punch, they'll go through your armor and they can kill you.

After my character ran out of rounds in the gun with one more enemy standing, though, if he ever gets enough money, he's getting one made with a few extra chambers.

Swords are pretty much for show, although they are real, and you can put it through body armor with enough effort behind it.
 
Well, my uncle in the CHP carried a revolver that looked and sounded like a cannon to me back in the '60's and 70's, but times changed when theories of crime fighting and gun fighting evolved. As semi-autos became more reliable and lighter in weight, the advantage of faster reloads combined with more ammo per reload became to obvious to ignore.

And all those rounds make it possible (as we are taught) to engage multiple targets - not just blast away randomly. And that can be too often the case. The FBI shootout in 1986 is what really made all agencies painfully aware of the need to get away from revolvers and carry something with more firepower (as in more ready ammo, not just power).

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That is the point of revolver IMTU. The "Right to self-defense" debates often boil down to: civilian get some firepower for self defense and hunting but nothing that could sustain an open rebellion. So revolver, shotgun and bolt-action rifle in hunting caliber (forget anti-tank rifle) are fairly common.

have fun

Selandia
 
So, I was watching the original "True Grit" with John Wayne the other night, and the female lead Matty has a Colt Dragoon. My father used to have one, and a friend of the family used to take me shooting with it many eons ago.

For those in the know, how much more powerful is this black powder weapon compared to contemporary big hand guns?

I have a book somewhere with the ballistics on the big Colt Dragoon revolver, and they come close to the .44 Magnum. The big Colt revolvers like the Dragoon typically came with a detachable shoulder stock for conversion to a pretty effective carbine.
 
The Colt Walker which was before the Dragoon was the most powerful handgun in the world at it's normal loadings until the .357 Magnum was invented. The Dragoon was devloped to address the Walkers problems of size and weight.
 
Sam Colt continually improved his invention until the .44 1860 Army model. The Walker had something like 24 internal parts while the 1860 had 6. Despite its power the Walker (and to an increasingly lesser extent, the Dragoons) had reliability problems; the Walker's rammer jerked downward enough to prevent the cylinder from rotating with almost every shot when loaded to full power. This is why all the later Colts had a latch on the front of the rammer. Another problem was the cylinder slipping past the proper position when cocking; the chief differences in the subsequent 3 models of Dragoons were in the cylinder stop detent. By the third model all of the mechanical bugs were worked out and the gun lightened enough for belt carry but it was still quite heavy. The 1860, by removing the unnecessary metal from the rear of the cylinder and reducing the powder charge slightly, made a much more practical weapon to carry and that was plenty powerful enough for what it was intended.

Only 1100 Walkers were produced and in many ways it was a proof of concept piece; showing that a revolver could match the power of the single-shot military pistols of the day. The first Colt's revolver was the so-called Patterson which was a .28 or .36 caliber and certainly no powerhouse, even by the standards of the day.
 
For Christmas I just ordered an Uberti Walker for myself. Finally, a Josey Wales gun of my very own.

And yes, it has all the classic Walker issues except (thankfully) the gangfiring and exploding cylinder walls. At least the gangfiring will be avoided through careful loading by me.

Reportedly (and per the manufacturer) the ram rod still drops when you fire it with 60 grains of powder, and sometimes the same happens after it warms up if you use 50 grains. As per the original, what the official Civil War types approve for a period-accurate fix is to use a small rawhide strap to hold the lever in place. 14" long and 4.5 pounds unloaded.

I'm off now to practice my rebel yell and work up some redlegs targets.
 
The Colt Walker which was before the Dragoon was the most powerful handgun in the world at it's normal loadings until the .357 Magnum was invented. The Dragoon was devloped to address the Walkers problems of size and weight.

The term "Dragoon Pistol" dates back to the flintlock days of the American Revolution and even the English Civil War. It merely means a big horse pistol (meaning used by horseman, not foot) that is holstered off the saddle (usually, because they were much heavier and longer than regular pistols) and of heavier than usual caliber so they could punch through breast plates of Roundheads, cuirassiers and the like. Originally.

While it is true the name wasn't popularly attached to a mass produced pistol until Colt (among many others at the time) labeled his 1st - 3rd Model Dragoons, it is still an accurate term for the general type. Kind of like calling anything that shoots .45 ACP a "Colt Forty-five" or "Forty-five", regardless of the design used or manufacturer's name.
 
For the Union!

For Christmas I just ordered an Uberti Walker for myself. Finally, a Josey Wales gun of my very own.

And yes, it has all the classic Walker issues except (thankfully) the gangfiring and exploding cylinder walls. At least the gangfiring will be avoided through careful loading by me.

Reportedly (and per the manufacturer) the ram rod still drops when you fire it with 60 grains of powder, and sometimes the same happens after it warms up if you use 50 grains. As per the original, what the official Civil War types approve for a period-accurate fix is to use a small rawhide strap to hold the lever in place. 14" long and 4.5 pounds unloaded.

I'm off now to practice my rebel yell and work up some redlegs targets.
Practice all you want, rebel scum, we still win. :devil:

Nice revolver there, well, mostly.
 
I just received my latest addition to my BP collection. A 1858 Remington revolver copy with a 5 1/2 inch barrel in .44 cal.

This is in addition to 1 1851 Brass framed Colt, 2 1862 Colts all in .36 cal. One of the 1862s with a 5 1/2 inch barrel, and the other two with 8 inch barrels. 1 1851 style Colt in .44 cal with a 5 1/2 inch barrel. An 1861 Springfield Rifled Musket in .58 cal, and a 1863 Sharps Cavalry Carbine in .54 cal.
 
Does the Sharps blacken your face when you shoot it?

I've heard that the non-cartridge models would do that.
 
For Dixie! (whoever she is)

Practice all you want, rebel scum, we still win. :devil:


In the words of that immortal statesman of the age, the Right Honorable Foghorn Leghorn, "I say, I SAY..the South shall rise again!"

*If only for a few hours on those afternoons when no Yankee shall be allowed to set foot upon the sacred soil of my imagination while I pretend I'm shooting it out with Union soldiers trying to take back the train I"m stealing.
 
A reproduction Dragoon was one of the first pistols I ever fired. the wieght and length of the weapon are .... impressive compared to most pistols, but they really help to reduced recoil.

the Big boom, and cloud of smoke are also verrrryyyyy satisfying . :)
 
A reproduction Dragoon was one of the first pistols I ever fired. the wieght and length of the weapon are .... impressive compared to most pistols, but they really help to reduced recoil.

the Big boom, and cloud of smoke are also verrrryyyyy satisfying . :)

Agreed, I love my 1851 navy revolver. Much different than my 357 magnum, 44-40 wcf, and 45 colt revolvers using smokeless powders.

Remember maximum velocity with black powder is 1500 fps, the max expansion ratio, while smokeless powder max's out at 5000 fps.
 
yes, black powder Boom....smokeless powder..KABOOM...

Big heavy pistols like the dragoon can be a pain to carry for a long time. but they were horsemans pistols to begin with...which means not so they could get away with a heavier gun.

For a game like Traveller a good heavy pistol for defeating targets wearing body armor might be a great idea.
 
In the words of that immortal statesman of the age, the Right Honorable Foghorn Leghorn, "I say, I SAY..the South shall rise again!"

*If only for a few hours on those afternoons when no Yankee shall be allowed to set foot upon the sacred soil of my imagination while I pretend I'm shooting it out with Union soldiers trying to take back the train I"m stealing.

...But you're in Portland. :D
 
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