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Evening McPerth,
Landing parties once ashore are independent to the same extent any unit away from the larger unit like a fire team detached from a squad would be. The landing party is not under the direct control of the Ship's CO.
The RM and USMC both get their medical support from the Navy, Royal and US. In the USMC at the platoon level the Navy Corpsman, aka medic or Doc, goes into the field with the platoon. When in the barracks the corpsman works out of the bases medical facility which is staffed with naval medical officers and enlisted personnel. The larger the unit the more Navy medical personnel who are attached to the unit. So MT: PM page 45 is correct the Medical Officers serving with the Marines are Naval officers.
Yes, JTAS 10 is correct that there are no Marine Medical Officers. All military personnel have basic first aid training so I agree with the option. Basic first aid, my best guess from Book 2 page 21, is Medical-0. From Mercenary page 29 the combatant trained as a corpsman would probably have a Medical-1 skill level. I say that squads and fire teams probably have one member trained a little better.
I do know, at least when I was active duty, that the Marines guarding the missile storage area on ballistic missile submarine tenders had their own medic that worked out of tenders medical department.
CT, at least to me, seems to have almost no details on this so I have been looking at the real world and in GURPS, Mongoose, and other authorized Traveller rule sets. The best sources I've found so far is from GT: Star Mercs and Ground Forces. Star Mercs is similar to CT Mercenary with the exception of including details on the Imperial Marines. Ground Forces describes the Unified Armies of the Imperium and Imperial Marines.
Each GT book describes that platoons have medics, companies have casualty clearing stations, and battalions have aid stations. Mercenary and Striker also provide similar requirements.
To me Marines are real world Ship's Troops and looking at the TO&Es for the various unit sizes they follow a similar pattern as described in CT and GT. I've also looked at the U. S. Army and several overviews I found on other countries military and they each appear to have medical support a various unit levels.
However, the level of detail of whether or not Ship's Troops has medical support embedded or not is up the the designer and GM. If I ever post a design with ship's troops I will note that they have x number of embedded medics.
I'm sticking to my opinion and fully understand that others have their own. Thanks to you and everyone who has posted to the topic.
Landing parties once ashore are independent to the same extent any unit away from the larger unit like a fire team detached from a squad would be. The landing party is not under the direct control of the Ship's CO.
The RM and USMC both get their medical support from the Navy, Royal and US. In the USMC at the platoon level the Navy Corpsman, aka medic or Doc, goes into the field with the platoon. When in the barracks the corpsman works out of the bases medical facility which is staffed with naval medical officers and enlisted personnel. The larger the unit the more Navy medical personnel who are attached to the unit. So MT: PM page 45 is correct the Medical Officers serving with the Marines are Naval officers.
Yes, JTAS 10 is correct that there are no Marine Medical Officers. All military personnel have basic first aid training so I agree with the option. Basic first aid, my best guess from Book 2 page 21, is Medical-0. From Mercenary page 29 the combatant trained as a corpsman would probably have a Medical-1 skill level. I say that squads and fire teams probably have one member trained a little better.
I do know, at least when I was active duty, that the Marines guarding the missile storage area on ballistic missile submarine tenders had their own medic that worked out of tenders medical department.
CT, at least to me, seems to have almost no details on this so I have been looking at the real world and in GURPS, Mongoose, and other authorized Traveller rule sets. The best sources I've found so far is from GT: Star Mercs and Ground Forces. Star Mercs is similar to CT Mercenary with the exception of including details on the Imperial Marines. Ground Forces describes the Unified Armies of the Imperium and Imperial Marines.
Each GT book describes that platoons have medics, companies have casualty clearing stations, and battalions have aid stations. Mercenary and Striker also provide similar requirements.
To me Marines are real world Ship's Troops and looking at the TO&Es for the various unit sizes they follow a similar pattern as described in CT and GT. I've also looked at the U. S. Army and several overviews I found on other countries military and they each appear to have medical support a various unit levels.
However, the level of detail of whether or not Ship's Troops has medical support embedded or not is up the the designer and GM. If I ever post a design with ship's troops I will note that they have x number of embedded medics.
I'm sticking to my opinion and fully understand that others have their own. Thanks to you and everyone who has posted to the topic.
Of course once ship's troops land they are under their command structure and under their own tactical command, but under the ship's CO overall command, much as a battalion is under its CO tactical command, but under his regiment's overall command. Ship's troops are one unit of the ship command, unlike carried troops.
AFAIK, so have been landing parties used, and those ship's troops, once landed, will be landing parties, not independent units. I guess that's why their number does not fit into regular Marine units numbers.
MTM, page 45 (under medical shool):
JTAS 10, page 29; Military Academy: Marines (I know this is a variant, so it may not be canon):
That's why I assume ship's troops rely in their ship's facilities. They are treated by Navy personnel, and it's (IMHO) logical to assume they are treated in Navy's facilities. In the field, of course, those marine corpmen take the first care of the wounded, before sending them (if needed) to a Naval clearing station.
That also makes me think that in major Marine operations, where they work in large formations (battalion and up) and are not ship's troops (bridgehead, etc.) they carry medical personnel with them, that cares for their campaign hospitals.
