Darrians module astrography
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As loyal as they need to be; no more, no less. Even if they have a working Star Trigger (I can't recall if canon says they have or not), if they tried to use it on the Domain of Deneb, they would still have their heads handed to them on a plate.
They might try allying with the Zhodani, but I doubt if the Zhodani would be interested. After all the Domain is a good buffer against Virus so why would the Zhodani want to disturb the status quo?
As loyal as they need to be; no more, no less. Even if they have a working Star Trigger (I can't recall if canon says they have or not), if they tried to use it on the Domain of Deneb, they would still have their heads handed to them on a plate.
They might try allying with the Zhodani, but I doubt if the Zhodani would be interested. After all the Domain is a good buffer against Virus so why would the Zhodani want to disturb the status quo?
daryen
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Space Vikings. Good book, just be aware it is classic 'space opera' science fiction. Available on eBay for $3.00 if you are so interested.
It even has a "happy fun ball" of its own!
In BtC it is the Darrians, not the Sword Worlds, that are expanding into Foreven. It specifically mentions their Spinward Missions.
The Sword Worlds were merely trying to expand into the Darrian subsector, on Ator. For their efforts, they get their base blasted to bedrock.
But to the larger issue of Foreven, the Darrian section in GT:Humaniti directly addresses it in a sidebar. The problem is that Foreven was made into a "referee's preserve" very early, which served to trap the Darrians to their subsector from a narrative standpoint.
Make your story fit whatever you want.
(BTW, where did you see a reference in GT to the Sword Worlds going to Foreven?)
They appear to be very loyal, but only because they don't have any options.
They will not ally with the Zhodani because they still dislike and distrust them. The Darrians were very friendly with the Zhodani until they discovered how early they had been found by the Zhodani, and how the Zhodani did nothing to help them. The Darrians have never forgiven the Zhodani for that. (Unlike their neighbors, the Darrians apparently have no issue with Zhodani psionics, just with the way in which they were treated.)
Add in the natural competition with the Sword Worlds, and the only available ally for the Darrians is the Imperium. But even then, they are allies of the Imperium due to necessity, not commonality of vision or anything.
(This is true for CT/GT and probably MT. It remains to be seen how the Darrians react to the disintegration of the Consulate in TNE.)
daryen
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Space Vikings. Good book, just be aware it is classic 'space opera' science fiction. Available on eBay for $3.00 if you are so interested.
It even has a "happy fun ball" of its own!
In BtC it is the Darrians, not the Sword Worlds, that are expanding into Foreven. It specifically mentions their Spinward Missions.
The Sword Worlds were merely trying to expand into the Darrian subsector, on Ator. For their efforts, they get their base blasted to bedrock.
But to the larger issue of Foreven, the Darrian section in GT:Humaniti directly addresses it in a sidebar. The problem is that Foreven was made into a "referee's preserve" very early, which served to trap the Darrians to their subsector from a narrative standpoint.
Make your story fit whatever you want.
(BTW, where did you see a reference in GT to the Sword Worlds going to Foreven?)
They appear to be very loyal, but only because they don't have any options.
They will not ally with the Zhodani because they still dislike and distrust them. The Darrians were very friendly with the Zhodani until they discovered how early they had been found by the Zhodani, and how the Zhodani did nothing to help them. The Darrians have never forgiven the Zhodani for that. (Unlike their neighbors, the Darrians apparently have no issue with Zhodani psionics, just with the way in which they were treated.)
Add in the natural competition with the Sword Worlds, and the only available ally for the Darrians is the Imperium. But even then, they are allies of the Imperium due to necessity, not commonality of vision or anything.
(This is true for CT/GT and probably MT. It remains to be seen how the Darrians react to the disintegration of the Consulate in TNE.)
daryen
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CT Alien Module 8 firmly establishes the reality of the Star Trigger. It is a hoax until then, but it does exist after 1110 or so.
This is subject to GM interpretation, of course. In any universe of mine, it still won't work. But then I don't believe the extra-solar effects of the Maghiz, either.
Prior to the time of the Regency, the Zhodani would love to have the Darrians as a client state, if for no other reason to have yet another friendly buffer state between them and the Imperium.
(Once the Regency institutes its psionic reforms, the Darrians and Sword Worlds both become irrelevant to the Zhodani, as the Regency itself is, for all intents and purposes, the friendly buffer state that the Zhodani have always wanted.)
However, as I mentioned above, the Darrians have a deep seated distrust and dislike of the Zhodani. (Which, again, has nothing to do with psionics.)
It would take something truly extraordinary for the Darrians to work through something that deep seated. (Like, say, I don't know, the, uh, disintegration of the Consulate ...)
daryen
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CT Alien Module 8 firmly establishes the reality of the Star Trigger. It is a hoax until then, but it does exist after 1110 or so.
This is subject to GM interpretation, of course. In any universe of mine, it still won't work. But then I don't believe the extra-solar effects of the Maghiz, either.
Prior to the time of the Regency, the Zhodani would love to have the Darrians as a client state, if for no other reason to have yet another friendly buffer state between them and the Imperium.
(Once the Regency institutes its psionic reforms, the Darrians and Sword Worlds both become irrelevant to the Zhodani, as the Regency itself is, for all intents and purposes, the friendly buffer state that the Zhodani have always wanted.)
However, as I mentioned above, the Darrians have a deep seated distrust and dislike of the Zhodani. (Which, again, has nothing to do with psionics.)
It would take something truly extraordinary for the Darrians to work through something that deep seated. (Like, say, I don't know, the, uh, disintegration of the Consulate ...)
CT Alien Module 8 firmly establishes the reality of the Star Trigger. It is a hoax until then, but it does exist after 1110 or so.
This is subject to GM interpretation, of course. In any universe of mine, it still won't work. But then I don't believe the extra-solar effects of the Maghiz, either.
</font>[/QUOTE]Fascinating... I mistook you for a card-carrying Knight of Darrian. But lo, you've got issues with the Star Trigger and Maghiz. Wow...
CT Alien Module 8 firmly establishes the reality of the Star Trigger. It is a hoax until then, but it does exist after 1110 or so.
This is subject to GM interpretation, of course. In any universe of mine, it still won't work. But then I don't believe the extra-solar effects of the Maghiz, either.
</font>[/QUOTE]Fascinating... I mistook you for a card-carrying Knight of Darrian. But lo, you've got issues with the Star Trigger and Maghiz. Wow...
daryen
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Fascinating... I mistook you for a card-carrying Knight of Darrian. But lo, you've got issues with the Star Trigger and Maghiz. Wow... </font>[/QUOTE]Well, I am pro-Darrian. I like them and their Confederation. I mean I do have a whole website dedicated to the Darrians. But I am also a cynic. And they wouldn't be much fun if they were all sunshine and happiness. You don't have to look too hard to see the potential for some serious skeletons in the proverbial closet.
With the Maghiz, it really couldn't have worked as reported. If the "solar flare" was strong enough to catastrophical affect worlds six parsecs away, then the star didn't have a "flare"; it blew up. Daryen wouldn't have been devistated; it would have melted.
Since Daryen was not melted, and the star still exists, then there was no pulse that went past the Tarnis system. What happened to the other planets was an economic catastrophe, not a physical one. (Too bad the effect was the same.)
Also, I doubt their probe could have triggered a flare that severe. Most likely the timing was simply coincidental, and, while they believed the probe caused the flare, the flare was going to happen regardless of the probe. (Kinda like the proverbial guy who turns out the light just as the power goes out. While he is afraid to turn that light out again, they were separate incidents that were coincidental.)
Which brings us to the Start Trigger. If I don't buy the probe being the cause, then I can't believe the Star Trigger will work. Oh, I do think the Darrians believe it works, but I don't think it really does.
So, I am still a card-carrying Knight of Daryen. (Actually, I need to make me one of those.
I also have to see how to get my title changed to that.) However, that doesn't mean I have to buy all of the "propaganda" about them. I like seeing them with layers. I like them to have more depth.And I am a firm believer in always keeping the "facts" of the situation unchanged, but messing with the reasons for those facts. (E.g. the Maghiz was real. But the colonies failed/regressed due to economics, not magical EMP effects.)
daryen
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Fascinating... I mistook you for a card-carrying Knight of Darrian. But lo, you've got issues with the Star Trigger and Maghiz. Wow... </font>[/QUOTE]Well, I am pro-Darrian. I like them and their Confederation. I mean I do have a whole website dedicated to the Darrians. But I am also a cynic. And they wouldn't be much fun if they were all sunshine and happiness. You don't have to look too hard to see the potential for some serious skeletons in the proverbial closet.
With the Maghiz, it really couldn't have worked as reported. If the "solar flare" was strong enough to catastrophical affect worlds six parsecs away, then the star didn't have a "flare"; it blew up. Daryen wouldn't have been devistated; it would have melted.
Since Daryen was not melted, and the star still exists, then there was no pulse that went past the Tarnis system. What happened to the other planets was an economic catastrophe, not a physical one. (Too bad the effect was the same.)
Also, I doubt their probe could have triggered a flare that severe. Most likely the timing was simply coincidental, and, while they believed the probe caused the flare, the flare was going to happen regardless of the probe. (Kinda like the proverbial guy who turns out the light just as the power goes out. While he is afraid to turn that light out again, they were separate incidents that were coincidental.)
Which brings us to the Start Trigger. If I don't buy the probe being the cause, then I can't believe the Star Trigger will work. Oh, I do think the Darrians believe it works, but I don't think it really does.
So, I am still a card-carrying Knight of Daryen. (Actually, I need to make me one of those.
I also have to see how to get my title changed to that.) However, that doesn't mean I have to buy all of the "propaganda" about them. I like seeing them with layers. I like them to have more depth.And I am a firm believer in always keeping the "facts" of the situation unchanged, but messing with the reasons for those facts. (E.g. the Maghiz was real. But the colonies failed/regressed due to economics, not magical EMP effects.)
I had a sidebox about that in my writeup of the Darrians for GT:Humaniti, but IIRC it didn't make it.
Ha, I still have the file:
(((BEGIN BOX)))
@TEXT-BOX:Unfortunately the energy levels implied by the <I>Maghiz<I> are inconsistent. An energy wave that allows Darrian to survive (albeit just barely) wouldn't be able to fry electronics at a parsec's distance. Contrariwise a wave capable of frying electronics at several parsecs' distance would have sterilized Darrian. The image of the colonies scheduling a Pulse Day etc. is very evocative, but GMs who prefer more realism should consider it a myth and go with the loss of support from Darrian as the reason for the collapse of the colonies.
(((END BOX)))
Hans
I had a sidebox about that in my writeup of the Darrians for GT:Humaniti, but IIRC it didn't make it.
Ha, I still have the file:
(((BEGIN BOX)))
@TEXT-BOX:Unfortunately the energy levels implied by the <I>Maghiz<I> are inconsistent. An energy wave that allows Darrian to survive (albeit just barely) wouldn't be able to fry electronics at a parsec's distance. Contrariwise a wave capable of frying electronics at several parsecs' distance would have sterilized Darrian. The image of the colonies scheduling a Pulse Day etc. is very evocative, but GMs who prefer more realism should consider it a myth and go with the loss of support from Darrian as the reason for the collapse of the colonies.
(((END BOX)))
Hans
jfetters
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Thanks for this clarification, daryen.
Several weeks ago, I was combing through the Darrian info that I own to see what the story was there - hatred of psionics, etc. But the only definitive piece of info that I could find was that they disliked the Zhos because of the whole "spying" thing.
To me, the interesting thing is that there is not much information about the Darrian view towards psionics. It says nothing about them hating psionics as their ally does, nor does it say anything about their use in the confederation.
jfetters
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Thanks for this clarification, daryen.
Several weeks ago, I was combing through the Darrian info that I own to see what the story was there - hatred of psionics, etc. But the only definitive piece of info that I could find was that they disliked the Zhos because of the whole "spying" thing.
To me, the interesting thing is that there is not much information about the Darrian view towards psionics. It says nothing about them hating psionics as their ally does, nor does it say anything about their use in the confederation.
Having recently read the Darrians module I was left with the impression that unlike either of their larger neighbor polities, psionics was a non-issue with them. They don't revere the psionically endowed nor do they distruct them. My guess is that that psionics in Darrian society is simply a profession. Darrians might treat their version of the Psionic Institutes with the same regard as the law or medical professions: it's an interesting but demanding career in a field with a great deal of regulations and safeguards in place in hopes of curtailing abuse of those outside the field.
Having recently read the Darrians module I was left with the impression that unlike either of their larger neighbor polities, psionics was a non-issue with them. They don't revere the psionically endowed nor do they distruct them. My guess is that that psionics in Darrian society is simply a profession. Darrians might treat their version of the Psionic Institutes with the same regard as the law or medical professions: it's an interesting but demanding career in a field with a great deal of regulations and safeguards in place in hopes of curtailing abuse of those outside the field.
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