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Default Assumption: Do robots survive in a vacuum?

I never knew vocal cords take up so much space, mine seem to fit in my throat just fine, and my cellphone fits in my pocket, I think I can have both. You seem to think everything is built with vacuum tubes.

Man, my only point is that if Ingrid has to realistically emulate human appearance and behaviour, then most of her body's space will be taken by modules doing just that (chassis/skeleton, power source/heart and power distribution system/blood vessels, real-looking skin, artificial lungs and vocal cords, sensors/eyes, central computer/brain). So where will all the additional modules (like armor, radiation shielding, vacc suit, etc.) go?

If I was to get implanted a cellphone, a light flak jacket, interfaces to allow me to hack battleships, some anti-radiation shielding, or self-sealing systems to make me vaccuum-resistant or waterproof, I'm pretty sure it would impact how I look and how much I weigh - regardless of the TL - because most of my body's available room is already used by my organs.

Try building the robot with the rules with the higher tech available, maybe you'll have a good surprise. After that, it's your call, but since you wanted opinions on the issue, well, now you got mine.
 
Man, my only point is that if Ingrid has to realistically emulate human appearance and behaviour, then most of her body's space will be taken by modules doing just that (chassis/skeleton, power source/heart and power distribution system/blood vessels, real-looking skin, artificial lungs and vocal cords, sensors/eyes, central computer/brain). So where will all the additional modules (like armor, radiation shielding, vacc suit, etc.) go?

If I was to get implanted a cellphone, a light flak jacket, interfaces to allow me to hack battleships, some anti-radiation shielding, or self-sealing systems to make me vaccuum-resistant or waterproof, I'm pretty sure it would impact how I look and how much I weigh - regardless of the TL - because most of my body's available room is already used by my organs.

Try building the robot with the rules with the higher tech available, maybe you'll have a good surprise. After that, it's your call, but since you wanted opinions on the issue, well, now you got mine.

Yeah of course, I use T20, but you know you can't get every little detail. There are android robots in development in Japan and China, they are very crude, they have mouths that lip synch to speaker voices and it doesn't look very realistic, its getting better but its not quite there. I wouldn't mistake Sophia for a real person.

I think we have machinery that is more efficient than human muscle. How many horses does a motorcycle equal.
 
Yeah of course, I use T20, but you know you can't get every little detail. There are android robots in development in Japan and China, they are very crude, they have mouths that lip synch to speaker voices and it doesn't look very realistic, its getting better but its not quite there. I wouldn't mistake Sophia for a real person.

I think we have machinery that is more efficient than human muscle. How many horses does a motorcycle equal.

Oh yes, no doubt the technology will get better and better (and lighter as well). Making the robot very similar to a human is not exactly a problem IMHO since it is said in MT, for example, that Strephon used some. Where it gets trickier is with the additional equipment.

About that, one idea that struck me as I was thinking of your robot is that some part of the robot skeleton could be dual-purpose, serving as both chassis and functional module. Some stuff could be lodged into the "bones" (I was thinking ribs and hipbone, notably), you'd have some room in the abdomen as Ingrid would not need to emulate digestive or reproductive organs, and since she is of the female persuasion, the breasts would also give you some room. There might still be something of a weigh issue, but as far as looks are concerned some equipment might therefore be internalized without her looking like Robbie the Robot.
 
I doubt that a robot chassis is going to have much problems with weight, and increasing breast size for room for more equipment creating balance issues can be resolved with a more sensitive gyroscope.
 
I doubt that a robot chassis is going to have much problems with weight, and increasing breast size for room for more equipment creating balance issues can be resolved with a more sensitive gyroscope.

My concern about the weight was more whether Ingrid would still be able to pass for a normal human for her size after all the "modules" are installed, as I was under the impression that might be an objective for her creator. :)
 
My concern about the weight was more whether Ingrid would still be able to pass for a normal human for her size after all the "modules" are installed, as I was under the impression that might be an objective for her creator. :)

Well she is a new thing, an AI on the level of humans and she comes on the eve of the attack of the Virus, so in many ways she is like a Traveller version of a Cylon as seen on shows like Caprica. If someone in some laboratory can cook up the Virus, something like her can be made as well. In another thread I brought up the idea of a Jumpgate to the Andromeda Galaxy, it has been in operation since 1104 and it is now 1130.

There has been a rebellion going on within the Imperium starting with the assassination of Emperor Strephron, and like many wars have done, this war has advanced the tech level, the technical maximum from 15 to 16, the Virus itself being a tech level 16 technology. At first the Andromeda colony started out as a penal colony to remove troublesome dissidents, pirates, and criminals, the Imperium also sent some volunteers, scientists and engineers to build the return jumpgate, it is quite an enterprise to build a jumpgate that can cross intergalactic distances, and lately a bunch or war refugees have been signing up to go to the colony, and recently the Sol System and the gate have fallen back into the hands of the Solomani Confederation, a government of sorts has been set up on the other side, by Solomani and Imperials, and many war refugees, some of the last people to use the gate have been Ingrid and her associates, and at some point the virus takes over. Maybe travels through the gate but is stopped with the combined effort of the colonists there and is defeated, the gate is shut though, maybe it was destroyed, nobody knows, but people had stopped coming across. The colonies are cut off and they must fend for themselves with what they have.

Ingrid and a few other AIs are viewed with a great deal of suspicion, and so they wish to keep a low profile. Ingrid wishes to keep a low profile but also wants to keep a few aces up her sleeve, she is a former pirate after all, she might have to be one again sometime in the near future, so she keeps her options open. The Andromeda galaxy has a facsimile of Earth's solar system called the Helios-Gaia star system named after the star and mainworld, this one has five gas Giants and four terrestrial planets similar to their Solar System counterparts, they are Hermes, Aphrodite, Gaia, Selene, Ares, Zeus, Hera, Kronos, Uranos, Poseidon, and an iceball named Hades. Zeus, Hera, Kronos, Uranos, and Poseidon are gas Giants, three large ones and two small ones in that order.

There are other races here, these would include Fraal. Mechanics, TSA, We'ren, plus some old races that traveled through the gate to get here. The Fraal have psionic talents, telepathy is very common among them, the colonists carried their suspicion of psionic Individuals with them so they give the Fraal a wide berth. Gaia has it's own native humans that were contacted while still in the stone age 26 years ago, tech level has been advanced by the colonists since and cities were built of Gaia, not very impressive ones but cities none the less, they also introduced the jump drive to the sector, which none of the native races had before. There are a lot of political tensions between the natives and the colonists, and the introduction of the Jump drive has changed things quite a bit and introduced a number of flashpoints as Interstellar nations have expanded beyond their star systems.
 
I'm trying not to make her too much of a Mary Sue. There is a native race with similar abilities in the Andromeda Sector, these are thr Aleerins, I am importing D20 Future Alien races to my T20 game. Aleerins are a race of cyborg like humanoids that originated from the StarDrive/Alternity setting, at around 1130 the Virus made some incursions into the Andromeda sector when it took control of the Jumpgate, one thing that thwarted it was its unfamiliarity with the alien tech that it wasn't compatible with, and the Aleerins were crucial in beating back the Virus due to their superior hacking capability, they are not 100% machines the way Ingrid is. Ingrid has three positronic brains she could upload to, there is her humanoid body, her battle robot body and her starship computer, she has a tech level 16 Scout/Courier with a positronic ship's computer which is capable of hosting her AI program.
 
That's a couple of times I've heard "Mary Sue".

Can someone summarize a "Mary Sue" to a layman?

Mary Sue is a special character created by the author, she is the star of the show, she is the best at everything, has no flaws or weakness, and undergoes no character development because she is already perfect, and example of a Mary Sue in science fiction is Wesley Crusher in Star Trek: The Next Generation. A more recent example is Rey in the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy, episodes VII, VIII, and IX. In the Marvel Cinematic Universe, there is Captain Marvel.
 
From Wikipedia:
Mary Sue

A Mary Sue is a type of fictional character, usually a young woman, who is portrayed as unrealistically free of weaknesses.[1] Originating in fan fiction, a Mary Sue is often an author's idealized self-insertion. Mary Sue stories are often written by adolescent authors.[2]

The term Mary Sue was coined by Paula Smith, as a character's name in the 1973 parody short story "A Trekkie's Tale", which satirized idealized female characters widespread in Star Trek fan fiction. A male character with similar traits may be labeled a Gary Stu or Marty Stu.

ETA: Ninja'd!
 
subsector_gaia_by_tomkalbfus_deeqjpe-fullview.jpg

This is a 3-dimensional rendering of the Subsector she inhabits from two different angles and above is a chart of the main colonized system which I named the Helios-Gaia system, as you can see, it is very similar to our Solar System, and has one extra gas giant, it was originally a drawing era, but I decided to make it official by adding an extra planet. The two inner most gas Giants are Zeus and Hera, other moons not shown are present, they are size 1 and under. The mainworlds other than Gaia have temporary names. (I just rolled them up along with the stars, I have no ideas for them yet.)
Here is the site it is at
https://www.deviantart.com/tomkalbfus/art/Subsector-Gaia-871279682
 
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1. Adolescent fan fiction: I'm told the overriding characteristic is that everyone (is supposed to) love her, usually a way for the writer to insert themselves into an existing story.

2. As for Captain Marvel, this is more a recent phenomenon, and usually accredited to writers with an agenda.

3. There's a theory that the reason why all the heroines of the recent Star Wars films, Rey, Jyn and Qi'ra, are all British brunettes is that they are the avatar of someone in Lucasfilms.
 
Ingrid and a few other AIs are viewed with a great deal of suspicion, and so they wish to keep a low profile.

So she IS identified as a robot then. Well, that lifts off some design restrictions I suppose, as she does not have to be able to fool even a careful observer into thinking she is human. So yes, you can make her taller and/or heavier and not care too much about her having a ballerina skinny figure.
 
1. Adolescent fan fiction: I'm told the overriding characteristic is that everyone (is supposed to) love her, usually a way for the writer to insert themselves into an existing story.

2. As for Captain Marvel, this is more a recent phenomenon, and usually accredited to writers with an agenda.

3. There's a theory that the reason why all the heroines of the recent Star Wars films, Rey, Jyn and Qi'ra, are all British brunettes is that they are the avatar of someone in Lucasfilms.

Well Rey is the granddaughter of Palpatine and they both have British accents.
 
So she IS identified as a robot then. Well, that lifts off some design restrictions I suppose, as she does not have to be able to fool even a careful observer into thinking she is human. So yes, you can make her taller and/or heavier and not care too much about her having a ballerina skinny figure.

robots can go heavy without looking fat simply by increasing her density. She could look like a ballerina yet weigh 250 kg, someone who attempts to throw her may get an unpleasant surprise.
 
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