mbrinkhues
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Where they needed in 45? From reading Montgommeries books the Brits had the situation well under control with the French securing the flanks.
Does Mongoose Traveller leave you cold?
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really? I dont think i would agree with that view as it does not quite comply with history. the US fed and helped equip the other allies for much of the war. US spam is a major reason russian and britain held as long as they did and it was the US that led most of the operations post '43 in north africa and the west. I am not detracting from the ability of our common wealth compatriots or the evil Stalinist forces in the east but claiming the US did not play a pivotal role in the war and that the modern US army is not as good or better than any other is silly.
If it were not for US intervention I think the few german women that did not get raped by soviet forces would not have been so lucky.
If it were not for US intervention I think the few german women that did not get raped by soviet forces would not have been so lucky.
far-trader
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Let's don't tip this into The Pit ok, we're already up to our necks in muck down there 
What about the African American servicemen that the American army command would let go out on extended leave during the night whilst in Germany. My mother was nurse with the US Army in Germany after the War and into the 1960s. She said a good 70% of her cases (when treating local women) was rape counciling from the American GIs. This was the techique known as breaking the soft targets in the denazification process. Who knows if it continues to this day, as it does in Japan.
Furthermore, do you think as the German armies marched across the Eastern frontiers that things were different?
So please...don't hold out the sanctimonious card. War is nasty and brutish. It itself is the enemy those who nitpick over who did what to whom and for what duration show utter disrespect for the dead.
Nobody denies the American contribution to to the war effort but being late in the game in the European theater twice...they thought they would make it up by being the first to start a third one.
far-trader
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As you're a moderator kafka I'd hoped you'd notice my desire to not see the political theme continued here. Not add to it. Maybe you could split off the whole last page or however far back it goes and send it to The Pit ok.
far-trader
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captainjack
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I'm yet hopeful it can be saved, nobody's quite used the N word yet
Norris , Norris, Norris....
right ?
far-trader
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Norris , Norris, Norris....
right ?
Oh now you've done it. Gone and invoked Godwin's law... oh wait, no you didn't
Ah and I've tripped it over to another page. Oh well, time for sleep. If this is still here in the morning I'll flag a friendly neighbourhood moderator to move the distracting posts to The Pit. G'nite all.
mbrinkhues
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Note to self: Add ironie-tags when joking about the US-Army
No actually its been an annoying thread and I would not be at all sad to see it go.
Allen
spinwardpirate
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Ok, I like it so much that last night I had a dream about MGT. I went to a game store looking for Scouts, and couldn't find any (which is sadly the case in real life). As was going to leave the store, but decided to ask the dude behind the counter if he had any Traveller books, fully expecting the answer to be no. He points to the far wall, and lo and behold, there's a huge MGT display! With a giant Traveller poster, and a cardboard standee, and not only Scouts, but every book on the list of upcoming titles. I was so impressed that I decided to take a picture.
:rofl:
This one ranks up there with my recurring dream of finding those cool Traveller starship miniatures in the dusty old corner of the used game store in my personal dreamlands.
Analogy time... I'll liken Traveller to a beautiful woman, with gorgeous eyes that show a hint of pain from a troubled past. She has baggage. MGT is that same woman, but from an alternate dimension. She has the same eyes, but in this timeline they are fresh and alive, full of potential wonder and merriment and possibility.
:rofl:
This one ranks up there with my recurring dream of finding those cool Traveller starship miniatures in the dusty old corner of the used game store in my personal dreamlands.
Analogy time... I'll liken Traveller to a beautiful woman, with gorgeous eyes that show a hint of pain from a troubled past. She has baggage. MGT is that same woman, but from an alternate dimension. She has the same eyes, but in this timeline they are fresh and alive, full of potential wonder and merriment and possibility.
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Analogy time... I'll liken Traveller to a beautiful woman, with gorgeous eyes that show a hint of pain from a troubled past. She has baggage. MGT is that same woman, but from an alternate dimension. She has the same eyes, but in this timeline they are fresh and alive, full of potential wonder and merriment and possibility.
If DnD were a woman, she'd be an Orc! If she were the Burning Wheel, she'd be difficult to understand, high maintenance, elaborate, make you do lots of chores, and always make you feel you were doing something wrong...
If she were the Burning Wheel, she'd be difficult to understand, high maintenance, elaborate, make you do lots of chores, and always make you feel you were doing something wrong...
what do you mean IF? sounds a pretty accurate description of my woman.
Commander Drax
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Analogy time... I'll liken Traveller to a beautiful woman, with gorgeous eyes that show a hint of pain from a troubled past. She has baggage. MGT is that same woman, but from an alternate dimension. She has the same eyes, but in this timeline they are fresh and alive, full of potential wonder and merriment and possibility.
You have low standards
Donkeykong
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Mongoose Traveller (T4.5?)
Hi all.
I bought Mongoose Traveller as a gesture of faith and support. The contents appeared uninspiring and limited so it languished on the dusty shelf....
Last week I found myself Refereeing at a Convention. After initially planning to use the T4 rules I was persuaded to use the Mongoose version.
The rules (and therefore the ref) stood up well to the trial by fire of convention play. Rookies understood enough to feel involved while veterans had a sufficiency of depth to work with. The Assist, Dodge, Heft/Recoil and Hasten rules introduce interesting choices but avoid intrusiveness.
Overall I was left with a feeling of solid reliability, a referee's friend, they cover everything and everything works. These rules are a Type S.
The support that Mongoose are supplying is huge (by comparison to T4 and T20) and this is good (don't forget Signs and Portents, their free on-line mag with Traveller Adventures).
Having been so enthused I visited the (on-line)Playtest Document and noted a set of combat rules that (with streamlining) seem to achieve what AHL and Snapshot didn't.
Have fun.
Hi all.
I bought Mongoose Traveller as a gesture of faith and support. The contents appeared uninspiring and limited so it languished on the dusty shelf....
Last week I found myself Refereeing at a Convention. After initially planning to use the T4 rules I was persuaded to use the Mongoose version.
The rules (and therefore the ref) stood up well to the trial by fire of convention play. Rookies understood enough to feel involved while veterans had a sufficiency of depth to work with. The Assist, Dodge, Heft/Recoil and Hasten rules introduce interesting choices but avoid intrusiveness.
Overall I was left with a feeling of solid reliability, a referee's friend, they cover everything and everything works. These rules are a Type S.
The support that Mongoose are supplying is huge (by comparison to T4 and T20) and this is good (don't forget Signs and Portents, their free on-line mag with Traveller Adventures).
Having been so enthused I visited the (on-line)Playtest Document and noted a set of combat rules that (with streamlining) seem to achieve what AHL and Snapshot didn't.
Have fun.
spinwardpirate
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I dunno... I know what I like in a game. It doesn't have to be complex. Or perfect. Just imaginative and fun.
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I second what you are saying and will add the cover design together with stiff illustration for Spinward Marches makes the presentation an uncoordinated set of pictorial and graphic elements. :frankie: As for illustrations inside I didn't go there. If the cover is that badly managed I don't want to pick it up again. It screams incompetence at me continually. (I tried to mention this to them on the Mongoose site forums but they went all protective of product on me! They kind of acted like the digital age hadn't happened and it was all set out in lead type) Anything that looks like the old DC Comics is also on my banned from the bookshelf list too.
I look fondly at the Judges Guild naive looking stuff now. Even the quality of the paper has more character. Especially after I've gone through it all.
Somehow the coffee stains just add to it. I bought several copies of their sectors to cut and paste my own bits of universe on the edge of theirs. Good fun.Supplement Four
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I think the Judges Guild stuff gets a bad rap because of the newsprint and the 3rd grade art. I own several JG Traveller supplements and adventures, and, I gotta tell ya, if you took the exact same text and pasted it into a Little Black Book, you'd have on your hands some very good and highly regarded Traveller materials.
Some of the JG adventures, especially, are top notch--less open and more detailed than their GDW counterparts, complete with maps and NPC stats.
And, take a supplement like 50 Starbases. The meat of the book--the actual 50 starbases--I can live with or without. But, if you dig into the front part of the book which holds the discussion on how starbases are run and what constitutes a starbase, you'll find some fine Classic Traveller rules on the subject. It's not as in-depth as, say, the GT book on starports, but it does have the most in-depth material on starports that I've ever seen published for CT.
Most of the JG stuff is well worth having, even if the presentation looks like hell.
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Supplement Four...
Yes I understand what you are saying. I was looking at the JG illustration in terms of Naive Art as a form (Which has an inherent sophistication) and recognising some mini masterpieces there.
JG cover design has an endearing quality that Mongo's Spinward Marches appalling cover gaff has not. This sent Mongo binward, metaphorically speaking, for me.
Immature art and design without endearing qualities is like sucking blotting paper to me or scratching a black board with long nails. Hardly good for pulling more sales. Maybe it did sell well however maybe with a little more expertise many more may have sold.
I love the "poor" quality of JG print and paper. Although I take your point about CT L.B.B.ing some of the content rich innards.
Again... JG presentation does not look like hell to me.
You say "3rd grade art"
If that is a base of calibration then it follows the cover of Mongo's Spinward Marches is 5th rate. Just because it was done on a computer doesn't mean it wasn't done in on a computer if you see what I mean.
Minimally JG is funny and you cant even say that about Mongo.
edit::::::: Aaaah i see third grade is a school year. Well no not at all. I have 2 Degrees and a lot of experience to say that. However I am not interested in writing a doctorate, thesis, or essay on why I say it unless I am paid.
Yes I understand what you are saying. I was looking at the JG illustration in terms of Naive Art as a form (Which has an inherent sophistication) and recognising some mini masterpieces there.
JG cover design has an endearing quality that Mongo's Spinward Marches appalling cover gaff has not. This sent Mongo binward, metaphorically speaking, for me.
Immature art and design without endearing qualities is like sucking blotting paper to me or scratching a black board with long nails. Hardly good for pulling more sales. Maybe it did sell well however maybe with a little more expertise many more may have sold.
I love the "poor" quality of JG print and paper. Although I take your point about CT L.B.B.ing some of the content rich innards.
Again... JG presentation does not look like hell to me.
You say "3rd grade art"
If that is a base of calibration then it follows the cover of Mongo's Spinward Marches is 5th rate. Just because it was done on a computer doesn't mean it wasn't done in on a computer if you see what I mean.
Minimally JG is funny and you cant even say that about Mongo.
edit::::::: Aaaah i see third grade is a school year. Well no not at all. I have 2 Degrees and a lot of experience to say that. However I am not interested in writing a doctorate, thesis, or essay on why I say it unless I am paid.
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