Any world generating a World Level Noble Stipend in the billions would probably be presided over by a Margrave (OTU: Marquis). Baron's are probably left with the worlds generating only millions or tens of millions (the majority of low-pop worlds).Originally posted by Larsen E. Whipsnade:
Barons with billions?!!? Yikes!
I don't know about that. Looking at a mere 8 Quadrillion Credits, and thinking about how that has to be spread around . . . The IN alone is going to cost a bundle, and that's not even considering the IM, IISS, all the Ministries, and YTU's covert services, it's all going to take a lot.Originally posted by Larsen E. Whipsnade:
Now I know why Mr. Miller has never answered any of the economics questions: His OTU version of the Imperium simply cannnot exist with that much money in hand.
Why, thank you, sir.Originally posted by Larsen E. Whipsnade:
Nice numbers, RoS. They are certainly food for thought.
Sincerely,
Bill
And the TCS budgetary calculations were declared non-canon, IIRC (from reading TML posts years after it happened).Originally posted by robject:
I vaguely recall something on the TML (lo these many years ago...) recalling someone telling Marc how rich the TCS budget calculations (or was it Striker?) made the Imperium. Apparently, Marc was not amused.
BK Ship Costs: HG2Originally posted by robject:
I wonder... if there really is 1000 butt-kicker (BK) ships per sector, what kind of budget is implied by that?
Assumption 1: the average cost for BK ships (throw in the support ships for free) is BCr10.
That's not nearly large enough, or at least it isn't large enough for danger points like the Solomani Rim and the Spinward Marches (and Core probably gets quite a bit, too, to prevent by military strength a recurrence of the Civil War).Originally posted by robject:
Conclusion 1: the average sector naval assets are worth TCr10.
Well, that would be a little less than 2.5% of the IAB. Personally, I think it would be higher. The 3I is heavily military, a lot of its noble traditions (not all, of course) center around military service, etc. It has far less entitlements and social projects (not none, just far fewer) than the USA today. I think they could go five to ten percent.Originally posted by robject:
Conclusion 2: the total Imperial naval assets are worth TCr200.
Well, my system (a variant of TML-poster Richard Aiken's personal system):Originally posted by robject:
So the question is: is that all from the Imperium's 3.5% cut of the average 3% MWC, or do the sectors contribute too? I'd have to assume that everyone pitches in somehow...
No, the figures in the tables I posted earlier are the final figures available for the sector and Imperial levels. The remains of the taxes that reach up that high. The Sum of the GWPs of all the worlds (before taxation), is: 953,946,871,162,594,000; or 953.9 Quadrillion Credits.Originally posted by robject:
Well, if the worlds' combined GDP is QCr8
It's more likely I didn't provide enough description.Originally posted by robject:
Or did I screw up my guesstimation?
which was funny because TCS calculations were too low, and thus could not be replaced without making the original problem worse. any system where the imperium directly taxes large numbers of economically healthy planets is going to wind up with vast avalanches of money.And the TCS budgetary calculations were declared non-canon,
So, IYTU, is the "1000 ships" figure for dreadnoughts only, or does it include cruisers et al? Are there more than a dozen Tigresses in your Spinward Marches?Originally posted by RainOfSteel:
BK Ship Costs: HG2
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- Tigress: 362 Billion (In Qty)</font>
- Plankwell: 120 Billion (In Qty)</font>
- Kokkirak: 135 Billion (In Qty)</font>
So, IYTU, is the "1000 ships" figure for dreadnoughts only, or does it include cruisers et al? Are there more than a dozen Tigresses in your Spinward Marches?Originally posted by robject:
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BK Ship Costs: HG2
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- Tigress: 362 Billion (In Qty)</font>
- Plankwell: 120 Billion (In Qty)</font>
- Kokkirak: 135 Billion (In Qty)</font>
So, IYTU, is the "1000 ships" figure for dreadnoughts only, or does it include cruisers et al? Are there more than a dozen Tigresses in your Spinward Marches?Originally posted by robject:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by RainOfSteel:
BK Ship Costs: HG2
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- Tigress: 362 Billion (In Qty)</font>
- Plankwell: 120 Billion (In Qty)</font>
- Kokkirak: 135 Billion (In Qty)</font>
It depends on whether you are talking HG2 or T20.Originally posted by Bhoins:
But buying a BatRon of them is buying in Quantity. And there is an 8 Ship BatRon of them in the 5 Sisters Subsector (Supp-9). Personally I am not all that impressed by the Tigress. Give me Kokirraks any day.More spinals per credit. (More bang for your buck.)![]()
Just a note, the GT:Far Trader calculations are what I'm using. I'm just not using the unconvertible GT:Credits. If I was, the amount shown would be much lower.Originally posted by Anthony:
For comparison to GURPS Traveller:
Using the GDP rules in GT:Far Trader
I don't have FFW or I:E. I haven't felt the need to run out and get them, either. In previous discussions about them, the best I've been able to determine is that they were meant to be balanced playable games, not accurate simulations of what actually went on in the OTU.Originally posted by thrash:
FFW/IE-based Imperial military establishment. [...]
Imperial Marines in FFW are 40 battalion-equivalents [...]
In I:E, Marine forces [...]
Is that for the Spinward Marches based on FFW, or the Solomani Rim based on I:E?Originally posted by thrash:
That's maybe 6-7 million Marines organized in regiments,