jchurchill
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"What RPT What kind of cookie?"
Bullfrogs leap forward XX chocolate chip GG Turd burglars dance on your porch.
EOT.
Bullfrogs leap forward XX chocolate chip GG Turd burglars dance on your porch.
EOT.
(hypothetical) What would you ask Dave Nilsen?
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Dreadnought
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Laughed out loud. Thanks.
Looked at it again, and laughed out loud again.
Dave
Dreadnought
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Kafka--
Dave
You'd probably have to talk to the artists themselves. We generally bought "first publication rights." We could use them once, then they reverted to the artist. That's how we got Whelan's Foundation cover for Chall 64. It was used once, and was available to be used again.
Dave
jchurchill
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*Your choice is the cunning inverse of Bryan Ferry's answer to his own "have you a future?" in "Mother of Pearl."*
If memory serves me correctly, Brian Eno wrote "Mother of Pearl." Bryan Ferry just sang the lyrics. Loosely similar to the team work of Burt Bacharach and Hal David. But then I'm rusty on my major 20th century philosophers.
"Hal David writes the lyrics and Burt just writes the tunes."
If memory serves me correctly, Brian Eno wrote "Mother of Pearl." Bryan Ferry just sang the lyrics. Loosely similar to the team work of Burt Bacharach and Hal David. But then I'm rusty on my major 20th century philosophers.
"Hal David writes the lyrics and Burt just writes the tunes."
Dreadnought
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See you all. When I post again, will be from the Old Line State.
Gotta pack the dogs and the truck and get to West Virgina before the snow.
Dave
Gotta pack the dogs and the truck and get to West Virgina before the snow.
Dave
Dreadnought
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Eno left Roxy after their second album, "For Your Pleasure." "Mother of Pearl" was off of "Stranded," and was about Jerry Hall, Ferry's flame for a while, methinks. But, like, does existence precede essence, or what?
Crap! I'm not in the Old Line State. Oooooh!! Too many shiny objects! Too many shiny objects!
Dave
P.S. MoP is credited to Ferry alone. I think there are few if any Ferry/Eno credits, but I'd have to check to be sure.
jchurchill
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Mrs. Hendy: Do all philosophers have an S in them?
Mr. Hendy: Yeah I think most of them do.
Mrs. Hendy: Oh... Does that mean Selina Jones is a philosopher?
Mr. Hendy: Yeah... Right, she could be... she sings about the Meaning of Life.
Mrs. Hendy: Yeah, that's right, but I don't think she writes her own material.
Mr. Hendy: No. Maybe Schopenhauer writes her material?
Mrs. Hendy: No... Burt Bacharach writes it.
Mr. Hendy: There's no 'S' in Burt Bacharach...
Mrs. Hendy: ...Or in Hal David...
Mr. Hendy: Who's Hal David?
Mrs. Hendy: He writes the lyrics, Burt just writes the tunes... only now he's married to Carole Bayer Sager...
Mr. Hendy: Oh... Waiter... this conversation isn't very good.
Mr. Hendy: Yeah I think most of them do.
Mrs. Hendy: Oh... Does that mean Selina Jones is a philosopher?
Mr. Hendy: Yeah... Right, she could be... she sings about the Meaning of Life.
Mrs. Hendy: Yeah, that's right, but I don't think she writes her own material.
Mr. Hendy: No. Maybe Schopenhauer writes her material?
Mrs. Hendy: No... Burt Bacharach writes it.
Mr. Hendy: There's no 'S' in Burt Bacharach...
Mrs. Hendy: ...Or in Hal David...
Mr. Hendy: Who's Hal David?
Mrs. Hendy: He writes the lyrics, Burt just writes the tunes... only now he's married to Carole Bayer Sager...
Mr. Hendy: Oh... Waiter... this conversation isn't very good.
jchurchill
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Eno left Roxy after their second album, "For Your Pleasure." "Mother of Pearl" was off of "Stranded," and was about Jerry Hall, Ferry's flame for a while, methinks. But, like, does existence precede essence, or what?
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Really? "Mother of Pearl" always seemed so much of an Eno song but I have mangled facts before.
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Really? "Mother of Pearl" always seemed so much of an Eno song but I have mangled facts before.
You'd probably have to talk to the artists themselves. We generally bought "first publication rights." We could use them once, then they reverted to the artist. That's how we got Whelan's Foundation cover for Chall 64. It was used once, and was available to be used again.
Dave </font>[/QUOTE]Thanks Dave. Can anyone help me track down the artist in question with an email or snail mail address?
Dreadnought
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But don't ask why they have liver on the menu...
Dreadnought
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I'm am not a Roxy authority, but my understanding is that Eno had a great deal to do with the way their first two albums sounded, with that experimental ensemble presentation they had, but Ferry wrote the stuff for the most part.
Hunter will shut us down soon for wandering so far off topic.
Gotta go. Miles to go before I sleep. Take care.
Dave
Erik Boielle
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I love that stuff! (not that anyone would have noticed right?)
I suspect this is because of a love for the Narrative Inevitability concept of Pratchetts - so to figure out what is going to happen you just need to identify the stereotypes.
(And its not too hard to see repeats in history is it - The UK manages to keep free by using a natural barrier, and then uses that position to intervene in conflicts at times of its own choosing to keep one group from coming to dominate Europe for about three hundred years. Until a shrinking world means they can no longer do the same. But then the US with a bigger natural barrier takes over.
Course, there are differences like but still. Whats the key there? Both rich countries? The abilitly to defend your borders in a way that doesn't let you invade others?
But I digress.)
It also provides a reason for the setting to exist. A reason to care.
'Why is this cool? Why them? Why now?'
'Because its a thinly disguised rip off of Gangster movies you fool!
Gangsters are cool arent they? Well, in this you play gangsters, and so will be cool.'
'Ahh!'
(Oddly, having zeppelins is reason in itself -
'Why should we play in your game'
'Zeppelins!'
'Ahh')
(TNEs situation would seem hard to find a parallel for - but then isn't it like all the sorting out done after the fall of Rome?*
*Probably not, with the gaps in my history being large enough to drive a bus through. But you could see the odd King Arthur figure cropping up right? So its cool like Bernard Cromwell's Winter King novels see!
Then I'd need to figure out when Vikings happened. Wasn't that in that bit of history?)
M
Malenfant
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Erik - I have to say, I haven't got a damn clue what you're going on about in the last 2/3rds of your email.
Can you perhaps try to be a little more coherent and less "hyperactive armwavy gibberish"?
Can you perhaps try to be a little more coherent and less "hyperactive armwavy gibberish"?
Erik Boielle
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Any better?
Not that it isn't easy to see patterns where none exist.
But hey, balanace like.
Not that it isn't easy to see patterns where none exist.
But hey, balanace like.
When I steal this quote for a sig block, should it be attributed to LKW or was there an antecedent source?
History might not (in an exacting sense) repeat itself, but humans the ages through have been similar enough that some sorts of things have happened repeatedly - enough so to make them familiar to us when we study history.
Similarly, analogy, though an incomplete tool, can server the function it is meant to if the analogies drawn are accurate in the particular areas where they are focused. Trying to extend the analogy beyond that point is where we get into big trouble.
Ultimately, if we say 'age of sail in space', that gives some idea (in a very compact way) of some of the characteristics of the situation. It isn't a complete rendering, nor entirely accurate, but it can quickly convey a basic flavour.
Though, in Mal's defence, I will agree that I too don't like to see the PSB* stretched to accomodate the chosen analogy. I prefer to see technological choices made (or social, or political, or personal, etc) and then evolve the sensible (or possible) results. This leads to greater consistency and coherence I find. When you try to make something fit a preconcieved notion, you end up with lots of handwavy PSB.
* - PSB = Pseudo-Scientific B.S. (aka the Treknology or Treknobabble justification...)
When I steal this quote for a sig block, should it be attributed to LKW or was there an antecedent source?
</font>[/QUOTE]So what you're asking is: "Who did you steal it from?"
I don't remember. I want to say Mark Twain or Will Rogers, but I'm just not sure. Perhaps someone with the time and google-fu can help you?
Apologies for the threadjack.
some possibles:
History repeats itself. Historians repeat each other.--Philip Guedalla (1889--1944), "Supers and Supermen."
History may not repeat itself, but it does rhyme a lot. - Mark Twain
"Now, it's not all that easy to learn real lessons from history-or from historians. You remember that marvelous variation of Murphy's law, which states that the first rule of history is that `History doesn't repeat itself--historians merely repeat each other.' Or the famous Churchill quote: `History is simply one da*ned thing after another.'" James R. Houghton
Casey who rather likes this one about History:
The British never remember it, the Irish never forget it, the Russians never make it, and the Americans never learn from it.--Bishop Fulton J. Sheen (1895--1979), Catholic archbishop
Dreadnought
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Kafka--
No, still not in Maryland.
Dave
No, still not in Maryland.
The artist is Tony Szczudlo. If you do a Google search on him you'll find a lot of hits. Happily, his Traveller work comes up at the top, with his WOTC work farther down.
Dave
