Spinward Flow
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Enter the J1/6G Patrol Corvette for "near abroad" security patrols and border protection.
Increase fuel capacity and life support consumables reserves to enhance patrol endurance between replenishment cycles.
General I don't understand the Patrol Cruiser...
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Increase fuel capacity and life support consumables reserves to enhance patrol endurance between replenishment cycles.
...as though you haven't already done that one up.Enter the J1/6G Patrol Corvette for "near abroad" security patrols and border protection.
Increase fuel capacity and life support consumables reserves to enhance patrol endurance between replenishment cycles.
My next project along these lines may be "guess at the original deck plans that W. H. Keith drew up for the Type T, that the illustrations (but not the published deck plans) were based on". Because my "fixed" version is not exactly the way that plans would have been done at the time. Back then, staterooms were bigger, common areas were smaller, and the main deck would have been single-height all the way back, instead of using the "split-level" arrangement I went with.
Edit to add: My next actual project, not along these lines, is probably a dedicated set of deck plans for the 199Td J5/3G Type S5 Neon Pegasus class. I mean, I could probably get away with using my copy-paste-hack "199Td Stretched Sulieman" layout I did for the J4/2G LBB2 scout -- it's close enough. But I have different ideas...
EDIT 2: I know that my "fixed" version is very close to the original's shape and size -- it only differs from the '82 WHK original in having a different interior layout.
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AnotherDilbert
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As it's a custom hull so we can build it anyway we like.
Clear out the unessentials and have about 100 Dt cargo for a fast trader.
Code:
AF-4134431-000000-00000-0 MCr 201 400 Dton
bearing Crew=6
batteries TL=10
Cargo=114 Fuel=160 EP=16 Agility=3
Single Occupancy LBB2 design 114 223,4
USP # Dton Cost
Hull, Streamlined Custom 4 400
Configuration Needle/Wedge 1 44
Scoops Streamlined
Jump Drive F 3 1 35 60
Manoeuvre D H 4 1 15 32
Power Plant H 4 1 25 64
Fuel, #J, #weeks J-3, 4 weeks 3 160
Bridge 1 20 2
Computer m/3 3 1 3 18
Staterooms 6 24 3
Cargo 114
Empty hardpoint 4 4 0,4
Nominal Cost MCr 223,40 Sum: 114 223,4
Class Cost MCr 24,57 Valid ≥0 ≥0
Ship Cost MCr 201,06Enlarge the power plant and computer (for double fire) for a combat ship.
Code:
LL-4134452-030000-30001-0 MCr 248 400 Dton
bearing 1 3 2 Crew=10
batteries 1 3 2 TL=10
Cargo=93 Fuel=160 EP=16 Agility=1
Single Occupancy LBB2 design 93 275,2
USP # Dton Cost
Hull, Streamlined Custom 4 400
Configuration Needle/Wedge 1 44
Scoops Streamlined
Jump Drive F 3 1 35 60
Manoeuvre D H 4 1 15 32
Power Plant J 4 1 28 72
Fuel, #J, #weeks J-3, 4 weeks 3 160
Bridge 1 20 2
Computer m/5 5 1 5 45
Staterooms 10 40 5
Cargo 93
Triple Turret Beam 3 3 3 12,3
Mixed Turret Full 1 1 1,1
Weapon Missile 1 2 1,5
Weapon Sand 3 1 0,3
Nominal Cost MCr 275,15 Sum: 93 275,2
Class Cost MCr 30,27 Valid ≥0 ≥0
Ship Cost MCr 247,64Perhaps a few fighters for extra punch?
As an armed courier, not bad.
AnotherDilbert
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Not really, if you intend to kill enemy ships.
Take this variant:
Ten lasers with double fire (and a few sandcasters).
Four fighters each with triple missile launchers, for a total of 12 launchers.
J-4 with the jump fuel in Demountable Tanks, so we can free up some cargo space when needed.
Code:
LL-4144452-030000-10000-0 MCr 337 400 Dton
bearing 2 A Crew=14
batteries 2 A TL=10
Cargo=5 Fuel=200 EP=16 Agility=0
Dual Occupancy LBB2 design 5 366,8
USP # Dton Cost
Hull, Streamlined Custom 4 400
Configuration Needle/Wedge 1 44
Scoops Streamlined
Jump Drive H 4 1 45 80
Manoeuvre D H 4 1 15 32
Power Plant J 4 1 28 72
Fuel, #J, #weeks J-0, 4 weeks 40
Bridge 1 20 2
Computer m/5 5 1 5 45
Staterooms 5 20 2,5
Staterooms, Half 9 18 2,3
Cargo 5
Demountable Tanks 4 × J-1 4 160 0,2
Mixed Turret Full 2 2 2,2
Weapon Beam 1 3 6
Mixed Turret Full 2 2 2,2
Weapon Beam 1 2 4
Weapon Sand 3 1 0,5
Fighter 10 Dton 4 40 72
Nominal Cost MCr 366,81 Sum: 5 366,8
Class Cost MCr 32,43 Valid ≥0 ≥0
Ship Cost MCr 337,33
Crew & High 0 Crew Bridge 2
Passengers Mid 0 14 Engineers 3
Low 0 Gunners 4
Extra SR 0 Frozen Service 1
# Frozen W 0 0 Flight 4
Marines 0 Marines 0At least it has much more firepower, but no more damage soaking capacity, than a Type T.
Still, I guess two of these could take three Type Ts (about equal cost) in LBB2 combat?
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Force projection, especially in back water systems.
It's a Patrol ship... Well, depends if you are a small ship universe sort it's a Destroyer, at least in Mayday.
And no I have never been fond of the FASA take on it...
Spinward Flow
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Drive-J is TL=11, not TL=10.
Drive-H is the top end for TL=10.
Model/5 computer is also TL=11.
Model/4 computer is top of the line for TL=10.
TL=10 puts some pretty hard upper limits on maximum performance options.
The distinction is carried forward to LBB5 in a few places, too (they don't get J-2, for example) -- I think they really meant for TL-11 to make a difference.TL=10 puts some pretty hard upper limits on maximum performance options.
To kill enemy warships, it isn't up to much. However, to deal with armed merchants conducting piracy, in small groups to take on corsairs or to act as a convoy escort it is decent for the price (although in the latter role it doesn't need the jump range it has been designed with).
...and HOLY CRAP! MS Paint has support for layers now!
This is a game-changer for me (you can tell I use cutting-edge graphics software, no?)
Spinward Flow
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Trumpets sound and peasants cheer. 
I like the snub nose better than the needle, but couldn't you make it even more squared-off by having it start at the bridge section? Or side turrets in front of the bridge? Then the 'fuselage' or main hull wouldn't have to be angled, I think.
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This is where "more squared off" came from (FASA deck plans) -- note the front edges of the upper and lower decks:
Artistic tastes are artistic tastes, but I happen to prefer the sleek lines of the box-art from the FASA Adventure Class Ships, Vol. II (and the deck plans I reverse-engineered from them) to the chunky lines of the included deck plans and the later developments of them (such as the cover of MgT's Core Rules and the deck plans in MgT's High Guard p. 138).
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AnotherDilbert
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LBB2 doesn't care, all type A shipyards can build all starships.Drive-J is TL=11, not TL=10.
Drive-H is the top end for TL=10.
Model/5 computer is also TL=11.
Model/4 computer is top of the line for TL=10.
TL=10 puts some pretty hard upper limits on maximum performance options.
If you do care, back off the M-drive and computer a step?
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AnotherDilbert
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Agreed, but it's about as good as it gets in LBB2 for a small ship, I believe...
LBB5 is an entirely different ball-game.
There you end up with something like:
Code:
CE-4146992-B30000-05003-0 MCr 410 400 Dton
bearing 1 1 3 Crew=10
batteries 1 1 3 TL=15
Cargo=4 Fuel=198 EP=38 Agility=6
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LBB5 would not allow a TL10 jump 3 ship...
AnotherDilbert
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Arguably, it would; using a LBB2 jump drive:
LBB2 drives live in their own little bubble...
The OTU campaign would limit jump per TL, regardless of LBB5.
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This may also be argued, as those ship requirements may include, if using LBB5, the TL restrictions to jump. After all, it's also a ship requirement, even if not named in the quote. Saying "such as" makes (at least to my understanding, your English is probably better than mine, me not being native speaker) the listing not exclusive, allowing for other such restrictions).
This will only make the Type T a TL12 desing, not invalidate it, though...
Agreed.
Allowing, even through LBB2, jumps to skip the TL restriction to jump would fully invalidate the background of the Intesrtellar Wars.
AnotherDilbert
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Requirements are needs or wants, not restrictions, to my understanding.
There is no "such as" in that paragraph?
[statements grouped for clarity]
I'm not native either, but perhaps closer as my native tongue is another Teutonic language: Swedish. That doesn't make me any sort of authority on English, of course.
A small thing for the Imperium, a big problem for a local TL-10 world.
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