Andrew Boulton
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I'm the only one I can speak for.
I have been waiting patiently
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Rhialto the Marvelous
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So... are you saying your case should be generalized, or that it shouldn't be?
If the latter, what is your point, precisely?
If the former, are you implying the many, many complaints of authors, artists and customers on this board about products not published or received, payments delayed or never paid, are somehow unfounded?
If you declare yourself mum on these issues, don't you think it's odd to claim to speak for oneself, as if one had joined the board yesterday, when in truth one is perfectly aware of a broader history and context for one's speaking?
If the latter, what is your point, precisely?
If the former, are you implying the many, many complaints of authors, artists and customers on this board about products not published or received, payments delayed or never paid, are somehow unfounded?
If you declare yourself mum on these issues, don't you think it's odd to claim to speak for oneself, as if one had joined the board yesterday, when in truth one is perfectly aware of a broader history and context for one's speaking?
far-trader
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Oh come on Rhialto, a little fairness please.
I was going to say* when you first posted (that bit about proclaiming paying claimed past due accounts) that it was a bad idea to air private business on the forum. It was bad form when some of the complaints were made (yes, imo obviously) but I understand the reasons it was done (and still think it was in bad form). It would be in equally bad form for Hunter to respond to those claims here (again imo) this late in the game despite it possibly clearing the air on that issue.
* but Andrew beat me to it by stating his own experience and I figured who am I to say he shouldn't and so found my planned reply somewhat mooted at the time
And I wouldn't say "many, many" complaints. A few definitely, many perhaps. Off the top of my head I can recall perhaps a dozen unique complaints, and most of those either never complained again (perhaps because they were dealt with), were dealt with but never posted again, or actually posted that their complaint was dealt with. Yes a few still have not (apparently) had their complaints addressed to their satisfaction (and the reasons are unclear and not mine to comment on).
And now you're seeming to leave Andrew no way out by phrasing your reply in a "damned if he does and damned if he doesn't" when all he was doing, is doing, is speaking for his own case in reply to your original question about who has been paid. He can't speak for anyone else. He's not saying his case should be generalized. Nor that it shouldn't. He's not implying anything. In short you're putting words in his mouth and pushing an agenda that frankly smells of a personal attack on Andrew and Hunter to me and I for one don't like it.
Now if you'll excuse me I'll be taking a self imposed exile for a duration I deem suitable for skirting if not crossing the personal attack line myself. On the off chance I've misread your intent I apologize and eagerly await your clarification.
I was going to say* when you first posted (that bit about proclaiming paying claimed past due accounts) that it was a bad idea to air private business on the forum. It was bad form when some of the complaints were made (yes, imo obviously) but I understand the reasons it was done (and still think it was in bad form). It would be in equally bad form for Hunter to respond to those claims here (again imo) this late in the game despite it possibly clearing the air on that issue.
* but Andrew beat me to it by stating his own experience and I figured who am I to say he shouldn't and so found my planned reply somewhat mooted at the time
And I wouldn't say "many, many" complaints. A few definitely, many perhaps. Off the top of my head I can recall perhaps a dozen unique complaints, and most of those either never complained again (perhaps because they were dealt with), were dealt with but never posted again, or actually posted that their complaint was dealt with. Yes a few still have not (apparently) had their complaints addressed to their satisfaction (and the reasons are unclear and not mine to comment on).
And now you're seeming to leave Andrew no way out by phrasing your reply in a "damned if he does and damned if he doesn't" when all he was doing, is doing, is speaking for his own case in reply to your original question about who has been paid. He can't speak for anyone else. He's not saying his case should be generalized. Nor that it shouldn't. He's not implying anything. In short you're putting words in his mouth and pushing an agenda that frankly smells of a personal attack on Andrew and Hunter to me and I for one don't like it.
Now if you'll excuse me I'll be taking a self imposed exile for a duration I deem suitable for skirting if not crossing the personal attack line myself. On the off chance I've misread your intent I apologize and eagerly await your clarification.
Andrew Boulton
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Only that I personally have had no problems working for Hunter.
BetterThanLife
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Not sure I would go that far. It may be the last chance to publish OTU through QLI, but there will be OTU long after Hunter's license goes away.
I am not sure how many are in the slush pile and how many went away due to inaction.Far Trader said:
Since, according to what used to be on the site, it is a one time payment for the EA and TA line, so for the author it doesn't matter how many are sold. (That may have changed) However for Hunter's bottom line and ability to make those one time payments, there is a shelf life issue.
Further since there is a new Official Traveller, should things be done for CT/T20/Mongoose or is Mongoose/T5 taboo? In the latter case it might not be in an author's best interest to publish through QLI if they are getting a piece of the action, instead of a one time payment, if the current version of Traveller can't be supported, and certainly if it has a limited shelf life.
So there are definitely questions that need to be answered before most will look at things.
Andrew Boulton
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Mongoose is taboo, and T5 isn't finished.
After QLI's licence ends only FFE, SJG, and Mongoose can publish OTU.
After QLI's licence ends only FFE, SJG, and Mongoose can publish OTU.
And Avenger, under special license from Mongoose.
I'm one of those with issues, as is every other person who worked on 2320AD. Nothing was ever resolved. Of course, to do so, communication is required. And there's been none of that since March or April.
I wish Hunter the best, but to claim that there are few issues, or that they are minor, is disingenuous at best.
Peter Schutze
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>and most of those either never complained again (perhaps because they were dealt with), were dealt with but never posted again
or (as in my case) got ignored for many months so drivethrurpg gave a refund
or (as in my case) got ignored for many months so drivethrurpg gave a refund
BetterThanLife
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This thread started on the last day of January 2008.
Are we really going to go another ENTIRE YEAR without either a TA or an EA?
BetterThanLife
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Not an excuse for going an entire year since announcing it as just getting it organized. This isn't even the first set of artwork for it.
Andrew Boulton
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It's not an excuse, but it is the reason. It's not ideal, I agree, but life rarely is.
I hope it's worth the wait...
I hope it's worth the wait...
BetterThanLife
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Actually the only reason I see is that you just got the assignment and are working to get it done. But yours is not the first set of art for that particular TA.
So while it may be a reason for any current delay, it isn't even a reason for there needing to be a second set of Art.
Nothing at all against you, andrew.
Theophilus
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Based on Andrews postings on the Fleet thread, I assume he has seen the written part of the TA, and has done the artwork based upon the writing.
Andrew Boulton
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The writing is done.
I don't know why the first art deal fell through, and wouldn't discuss it if I did.
I don't know why the first art deal fell through, and wouldn't discuss it if I did.
shadowdragon
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a new direction
ok, i know zero of the legalities here, but one wonders, while Hunter's traveller license is eventually going to run out, does this affect the ability to continue to support T20? and if so, why would it since iirc hunters name is all over T20, not Saint Marc the Miller, patron saint of spacefarers. i can understand the OTU situation but as for support of Hunters version, i dont see why it would have to stop as long as all suppliments are distinctly T20 orientated.
could one of our esteemed brothers clarify this for me please?
ok, i know zero of the legalities here, but one wonders, while Hunter's traveller license is eventually going to run out, does this affect the ability to continue to support T20? and if so, why would it since iirc hunters name is all over T20, not Saint Marc the Miller, patron saint of spacefarers. i can understand the OTU situation but as for support of Hunters version, i dont see why it would have to stop as long as all suppliments are distinctly T20 orientated.
could one of our esteemed brothers clarify this for me please?
BetterThanLife
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Simple. Traveller as a game is owned by Mr. Miller. Hunter uses it under license from Mr. Miller. Further T20 is heavily based on the original Traveller rules, again under license from Mr. Miller. When the license expires, then it is either renewed, which based on what has been said about Mongoose's license isn't going to happen, or there is no more Traveller 20.
Or Hunter drops the Traveller label & setting, licenses the system elements separate from the trademarks, and reprints as SF20...
Or Hunter drops the Traveller label & setting, makes a few changes to match the MGT SRD, and republishes as SF20.
Or HUnter renews the 2300 license, and rereleases as 2320 2E.
Or Hunter drops the Traveller label & setting, makes a few changes to match the MGT SRD, and republishes as SF20.
Or HUnter renews the 2300 license, and rereleases as 2320 2E.
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