Kharum1
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But just think of all the money rolling in
(waiting patiently, in anticipation... )
You better get paid up-front.
I have been waiting patiently
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You better get paid up-front.
Andrew Boulton
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err whut? I am confused. Andrew: have you checked on the thing I mentioned in my PM?
That would still leave 30!
Andrew Boulton
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Good luck finding a publisher who does that.
Kharum1
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You are missing the point. I am just saying, get a contract with Hunter and make sure it states that you get paid whether or not he publishes. I spent a very long time waiting for Hunter. It would be a shame to see someone else go throught the same thing.
Andrew Boulton
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IME the standard deal is payment on or after publication.
Kharum1
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Very true but, you can add a stimpulation into a contract that if the publisher delays publishing due to no cause of your own that he still has to pay, in full or in part, for the materials/ services render. You are due that money for your time and energy and if he, the publisher, decides to disappear for months on end for no apparent reason he should be held liable. Thus, the need to enter into a contractual agreement. If you like to work for free that is on you. I am just putting an idea out there. I have been bit by this myself and from what I understand, so has a lot of other people. Just be careful.
Right. That's called a kill fee. It was part of my contract for 2320AD, in fact. It's usually some percentage of the total, rather than the whole thing.
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I don't recall all the legal terms anymore for the various types of contract work, but
Most publishers/contractors will not pay up front unless
1. the individual is hot, well known to deliever and you need that work to make the publication
2. the company has the money to throw into such no matter if the work makes public or not
Most of the contracts fall into 3 general caterogies
1. company needs x and there are lots of potential doers, so they will pay upon publishing
2. the contractee has some thing the company needs (quality, name, etc) so the company will pay for delivery and the rest upon publishing
3. the contractee has lots of pull and is established, so there for negociates and sets up mutual agreement
Most of these either offer a larger up front fee, or a larger % of the sales.
There are many other opitions inbetween the above.
And from the sounds of it there are many members of COTI who have been involved with such.
My involvement was the contracting out versus being a contractee. Artist, typesetters, writers, designers, computer designers, organizers and such.
(sorry about the spelling this time. In a bit of a hurry to go to work tonight.)
Dave Chase
Most publishers/contractors will not pay up front unless
1. the individual is hot, well known to deliever and you need that work to make the publication
2. the company has the money to throw into such no matter if the work makes public or not
Most of the contracts fall into 3 general caterogies
1. company needs x and there are lots of potential doers, so they will pay upon publishing
2. the contractee has some thing the company needs (quality, name, etc) so the company will pay for delivery and the rest upon publishing
3. the contractee has lots of pull and is established, so there for negociates and sets up mutual agreement
Most of these either offer a larger up front fee, or a larger % of the sales.
There are many other opitions inbetween the above.
And from the sounds of it there are many members of COTI who have been involved with such.
My involvement was the contracting out versus being a contractee. Artist, typesetters, writers, designers, computer designers, organizers and such.
(sorry about the spelling this time. In a bit of a hurry to go to work tonight.)
Dave Chase
Andrew Boulton
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The flaw is, if he's unable to publish he's probably also unable to pay this too...
Kharum1
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I think the problem is getting him to publish or stick around long enough to. In my case the work was done. He just never came back to me with anything. Just be careful that is all I am saying. I guess I have been luck after this experience to be picked up by a company that loves my work and has the follow through to get things done. It doesn't hurt that they pay on time.
BetterThanLife
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And here we sit. STILL Waiting. Closing rapidly on 11 months sine my first post in this thread and still not a single EA or TA published.
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Andrew Boulton
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I'm working as fast as I can!
BetterThanLife
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Not blaming you in the least, Andrew. I know all about doing 3D models and how long that takes to do them right. And AFAIK you have only been working on this, what, for a month and a half, in addition to your normal life? Waiting for you is no excuse to not have any new EA or TA since 2005 and especially since the beginning of 2008. Especially since yours is the second set of Artwork for this particular TA.
Andrew Boulton
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Sadly life doesn't always turn out the way we'd like. I'm disappointed too.
Andrew Boulton
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Yeah, Hunter's said he'd love to get more stuff out. This is your last chance to publish OTU things...
far-trader
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For that to happen there needs to be a clear public statement of direction from Hunter as to where QLI is going and how long before his Traveller license sunsets. There's little or no point in Hunter or anyone working on Traveller material to be published through QLI if it's only going to have a shelf life of weeks or months by the time it's submitted, and that's presuming that after submitting it is actually published in a timely fashion.
Seeing the Solomani Ships TA finally out will be encouraging but iirc there are a few in the slush pile without worrying about soliciting more work to just sit there unpublished.
Rhialto the Marvelous
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It also wouldn't hurt to pay off previous writers and artists, or, if this has finally happened, to state rather publicly that it has.
Andrew Boulton
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For the record, he paid me in full for my Revelation Station cover. A little late, but without any prompting.
Rhialto the Marvelous
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Good for you, Andrew, but as you know you're not the only one.
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