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Imperial Navy Uniforms

Imperial Navy Uniform colour

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Matt: the designs are based upon remembered text of the JIS insignia. I put the stars on silver large sunbursts for aesthetic reasons; the stripe edges are an additional clarity feature I've added.

The Enlisted dots form a cross, as described in text, rather than the box shown on the illos... (which said, the four dots as shown on the TD14 illos I have always treated as "local variant"... but might make a good "1st Sgt" alternate E8 insignia.
 
aramis said:
The Enlisted dots form a cross, as described in text, rather than the box shown on the illos... (which said, the four dots as shown on the TD14 illos I have always treated as "local variant"... but might make a good "1st Sgt" alternate E8 insignia.
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Wait, so the insignia looks like this?

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|*   *|   
|     |   
|*   *|   
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So do the three lower grades have insignia like these?
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-------   -------   -------
|     |   |    *|   |    *|
|  *  |   |     |   |  *  |
|     |   |*    |   |*    |   
-------   -------   -------
Too bad there aren't two more grades. :D


Hans
 
The Text describes this
Code: 
+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
|  •  ||  •  ||  •  ||  •  ||  •  ||  •  ||  •  ||  •  ||  •  |
|     ||•    ||•   •||  •  ||• •  ||• • •||  •  ||• •  ||• • •|
|     ||     ||     ||     ||     ||     ||  •  ||  •  ||  •  |
+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+

but the illos use this
Code: 
+-----+
|•   •|
|     |
|•   •|
+-----+
I'm suggesting that this might be an alternate E8 insignia for 1st Sgts.
 
Hmmm... using the illustration mistake as an alternate E-8 is an interesting idea. I just see it as a case of miscommunication between artists and author. I mean, how many times did costumers in Star Trek mess up pins and other insignia for various minor characters? The answer is MANY. But I digress...

:)

- Matt
 
Actually, the text describes this:

Code: 
+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
|     ||     ||     ||  •  ||  •  ||  •  ||  •  ||  •  ||  •  |
|     ||•    ||•   •||     ||•    ||•   •||     ||•    ||•   •|
|     ||     ||     ||     ||     ||     ||  •  ||  •  ||  •  |
+-----++-----++-----++-----++-----++-----++-----++-----++-----+
 
Using the same number of identical 'pips' for different ranks with the only difference being the configuration strikes me as a very bad idea. But maybe that's just my conservative guts acting up. At least the Real World military that did something similar (can't remember which one it was) used distinguished by color (silver vs. gold).


Hans
 
Yes, Andrew's demo is what the text describes. Though, I'd say the addition of the pip in the center does make it look more cross-like. Re-reading the article, it turns out that command E-7s, E-8s, and E-9s are identified in a very British looking manner.

Company SGM (E-7) wears an Imperial Sunburst above the cuff and dispenses with the Warrior's Cross arm insignia.

Battallion SGM (E-8) has the Sunburst surrounded by a wreath.

Regimental SGM (E-9) adds a crown to the top of the wreath above the Sunburst.

So, getting back to how this would affect the Navy uniforms, I'd say that the Cross system on the sleeves with cuff emblems for Command Chief Petty Officers would work. Maybe the dress uniform in blue or black would distinguish the Navy from the Marines who use red. That would keep things in the spirit of unification, but also distinguish the service branches.

- Matt
 
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Rancke2 said:
Using the same number of identical 'pips' for different ranks with the only difference being the configuration strikes me as a very bad idea. But maybe that's just my conservative guts acting up. At least the Real World military that did something similar (can't remember which one it was) used distinguished by color (silver vs. gold).
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US officer insignia is pretty nuts - same shape but different colour for O-1/O-2 and O-4/O-5; and random shapes for O-4/O-5 and O-6; plus different number of items for some but not all.
 
Andrew Boulton said:
US officer insignia is pretty nuts - same shape but different colour for O-1/O-2 and O-4/O-5; and random shapes for O-4/O-5 and O-6; plus different number of items for some but not all.
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US originally was board with 0/1/2 bars for O1/O2/O3
Board with fringe and 0/1 oak leaves leaves for O4/O5
Board with fringe and Imperial Eagle for O6
Board with fringe, imperial eagle, and star for O7

When they did away with the fringes, they also made O4/O5 oak leaves, but increased the numbers to 1 & 2, and did away with the eagle on the board for O7's, and added a second star for the O8's, and a third for the one O9.

Note: they had silver on gold or gold on silver, by branch. They kept the army infantry's silver on gold, then went to silver on branch color, then, when they did away with the 1x4" boards on the shoulder, used the old gold bar and leaf for O1 and O4, since the bar no longer made it clear.

US Naval cuff stripes were 1 for midshipsman, and 1 additional per grade O1+... then, in the 1890's, since normally, they were worn with a stripe width and 3 stripe widths separation to form groups of 2 stripes...

Eg: O4 || | || and O5 || || || ... but O6's often wore them as ||| | ||| and the O7 as ||||||||...

Then they later turned pairs into a wider stripe, and gave O6's 4 wide ones rather than the 3 wide and 1 narrow, as other Navies were using 4 wide for a captain as well... And the admirals had 8-narrow-stripe-wide extra-wide stripes.

It's all sensible IF you know the history.

@Hans

Positional variance by grade has been used in the past.

For a while, the UK Navy differentiated the ship's first lieutenant by moving his one shoulder board from one side to the other. Commanders got a fringed board, captains two fringed. Masters Commandant got the board on the other side, like a ship's first lieutenant.

The US navy originally differentiated CPO's from Midshipsmen by where they wore their Eagle & fouled anchor... Midshipsmen on the lower arm, CPO's on the upper. Petty Officers wore an Eagle and non-Fouled anchor... which side told which specialty for PO's and CPO's... Midshipsmen wore it on side by whether they'd passed yet or not.

Likewise... US Army Technical Grades... Originally, they got inverted stripes. Then, they went to matching stripes with a "T" between the arms of the chevron. Then back to inverted stripes, with a T between the arms of the chevron. Then the inverted PFC chevron and rocker got an eagle for E4, and rockers above for additional grades...

Likewise, "positional trainee grades" (Acting Sgt/Plt Ldr, Acting Corporal/Squad Leader) were worn pendant from the right breast pocket or on a black brassard (strip worn on left arm), while real NCO's wore the exact same insignia as either sleeve stripes (dress jackets) or collar pins (undress uniforms), or subdued pins or patches (field uniforms). This one was in Ft Dix in 1987. (I hated having those damned gold chevrons on my BDU's... had to wash them nightly.)
 
Thanks Aramis!

My Navy Concept.
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Marine with idea of Maroon as a Marine color!
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For ship board usage it would have to be of a design that would lend itself to being a tailored vacc suit. Form following function, this would mean a jump suit like article with rigid neck collars and cuff rings.

The neck collar would enable one to pull over your head a flexible bubble helm almost instantly. (see pic) Sleeve cuffs would automatically seal against the wrist until you could pull gloves out of cargo pockets and attach. The material would supply mechanical pressure so that suit air pressure could be low enough to prevent joint movement resistance.

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gregcaires said:
Navy blue for Navy
Green for Army
Red for Marines
Purple for COAAC
Some or of attractive shade of orange (golden?) for Scouts
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Remember that we know the colors of the starburst on Imperial unifirms: Navy: yellow, Scout: red, Army: black, and Marines: maroon. It is, IMO, very likely that the uniform colors would provide for a decent contrast. Yellow on blue for the IN is fine (but I like midnight black better). Black on green is iffy as is maroon on red. Red on golden is fine, but I find it difficult to imagine it as a serious choice for a uniform. Your milage obviously varies there.

COACC is part of the army (as is the wet navy). So most likely the uniform color is the same with different trim for each branch.


Hans
 
rancke said:
Remember that we know the colors of the starburst on Imperial unifirms: Navy: yellow, Scout: red, Army: black, and Marines: maroon. It is, IMO, very likely that the uniform colors would provide for a decent contrast. Yellow on blue for the IN is fine (but I like midnight black better). Black on green is iffy as is maroon on red. Red on golden is fine, but I find it difficult to imagine it as a serious choice for a uniform. Your milage obviously varies there.

COACC is part of the army (as is the wet navy). So most likely the uniform color is the same with different trim for each branch.


Hans
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We also have a canon uniform color for the scouts - blue-grey.
And for the Marines: Scarlet & Black.
 
rancke said:
I've missed those. Where is that from?
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The Army and Marine Dress Uniforms are detailed in a sidebar in GT: Ground Forces.

IIRC:

Imperial Army uses black (single?/double?) breasted jacket and slate-grey slacks (w/ trim/piping in MOS branch-color).

Imperial Marines use a variant of the Navy Dress Unifiorm with black (single?/double?) breasted jacket and black slacks, w/ crimson (scarlet) trim/piping. Parade dress is a crimson (scarlet) (single?/double?) breasted jacket w/ gold piping and either a black kilt or black slacks, depending upon environmental conditions.

Work-fatigues ("slops" in Army slang, "Utilities" to the Marines) is a black Tunic w/ grey pants and appropriate boots.


The blue-grey duty uniform for the IISS I assume is simply from the visual representation in some MT artwork/sourcebook covers, although GT: First In seems to make them a more neutral grey, based on the cover art. I go with the latter. (I always assumed the "blue" tinge to the MT cover art was an artifact of the art-style of that era, when everything in RPG art seemed to have to have a "vibrant" color-scheme).
 
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whulorigan said:
The Army and Marine Dress Uniforms are detailed in a sidebar in GT: Ground Forces.

IIRC:

Imperial Army uses black (single?/double?) breasted jacket and slate-grey slacks (w/ trim/piping in MOS branch-color).

Imperial Marines use a variant of the Navy Dress Unifiorm with black (single?/double?) breasted jacket and black slacks, w/ crimson (scarlet) trim/piping. Parade dress is a crimson (scarlet) (single?/double?) breasted jacket w/ gold piping and either a black kilt or black slacks, depending upon environmental conditions.

Work-fatigues ("slops" in Army slang, "Utilities" to the Marines) is a black Tunic w/ grey pants and appropriate boots.


The blue-grey duty uniform for the IISS I assume is simply from the visual representation in some MT artwork/sourcebook covers, although GT: First In seems to make them a more neutral grey, based on the cover art. I go with the latter. (I always assumed the "blue" tinge to the MT cover art was an artifact of the art-style of that era, when everything in RPG art seemed to have to have a "vibrant" color-scheme).
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It's actually in the DGP materials. The specific shade is used consistently in the MT covers.

As is the canon marine uniform - black slacks, crimson tunic - same pattern as USMC dress blue alpha.
 
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