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Is Known Space too big...?

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Hey Folks,

Every once in a while, someone says that Known Space (OTU) is too big. I mean, who's actually going to visit all 11,000 worlds of the Imperium? And then on to the rest of Known Space? So I was thinking that we could tinker a bit with this and come up with the Top 100 worlds in Known Space. Say, if someone had the time and inclination to go on a cruise, what would they want to see in each region.

Listed below are 20 major regions on the map of Known Space (I'm probably missing some) in the LBB Library Data books (as reprinted in The Classic Supplements). Now if we narrow this down to 5 worlds in each region, that would make things a lot easier to digest. The problem is, that I don't know where to find info for half of these and wouldn't know where to start in trying to decide which were the important ones. I figure all the Major Races' Homeworlds (listed below) would be on here. What else would you choose? This could work with the Themes for regions that was talked about a long while back - you could have a Theme for each region.

Let me know what worlds you would choose,

Dameon


The Imperium (The Domain of Sylea)
Capital

The Imperium (The Domain of Vland)
Vland (Vilani Homeworld)

The Imperium (The Domain of Sol)
Terra (Solomani Homeworld)

The Imperium (The Domain of Illesh)

The Imperium (The Domain of Antares)

The Imperium (The Domain of Gateway)

The Imperium (The Domain of Deneb)

The Solomani Sphere

The Aslan Hierate
Kuzu (Aslan Homeworld)

Dark Nebula

The Great Rift

The Aslan Colonies

The Vanguard Reaches

The Beyond

Reft Sector

The Zhodani Consulate
Zhodane (Zhodani Homeworld)

The Vargr Extents
Lair (Vargr Homeworld)

The Lesser Rift

The Two Thousand Worlds
Kirur (Centaur Homeworld)

The Hive Federation
Guaran (Hive Homeworld)
 
This might also be a good way to get new people involved in Traveller if they see a smaller list of worlds instead of a big number like 11,000. I was also thinking that if we add 5 more regions and up the worlds per region to 10, that would give us the Top 250 Worlds of Known Space.

We should propose it as a book,

Dameon
 
Well, within the Domain of Deneb, these are a few of the ones that pop up in my mind. (I am assuming the year 1105 for this.)
- Regina. In many ways this is the original "home" of Traveller. Also home world of the Caledon family.
- Darrian. Home world of the Darrians, with their long history. While the world is only TL 14, there are lots and lots of TL 16 artifacts still around and in use.
- Biter. Visit the famous Sword Worlds. While Gram is the original Sword World, Biter is far more friendly to Imperials.
- Glisten. The amazing TL 15 society built in a worldless system. It has massive navy and scout bases, huge shipyards, unrivaled learning centers and univeristies, and tons of other attractions.
- Deneb. Longtime home of the region's government. Hosts massive learning institutes, including the Jump Space Institute. Also, it orbits a massive star, and it shouldn't even exist as it does. Seeing that unique setup should be quite interesting.
- Vincennes. A fully functioning TL 16 society, that has been TL 16 for quite a while. If nothing else, you should be able to grab some cool gadgets.
- Floria. Homeworld of the Florian race(s). Another TL 15 world, but with unusual technological development that makes it quite unlikely most Imperial TL 15 worlds.
- Hreahrya and Irlaiw. Two Aslan worlds with fairly inhospitable atmospheres (3) that each host tens of billions of Aslan!

I could do more if you wanted.
I focused on the social interests. If you want scientific interests, there are the various ancient sites and Marastan.
 
Strangely enough, in the OTU days, we didn't really care that much about the setting, or where we were. The munchkins I played with just wanted maximum damage... ;)

Even in my ATU, with an adventure that took our hero over 30 parsecs into unexplored territory (about from Lunion/Strouden to Asmodeus in the 'SM'), I only gamed one major encounter en route.
 
IMHO, known space is too heavily populated. Seems you can't turn around without running in a world with over 10billion beings on it. Do we really breed that fast?

IMTU, the scouts and surveyors have far out distanced the hordes of colonists waiting to exploit Terran-Norm planets. In fact, colonizing IMTU is seen more as a means to drop out of society than a necessity due to population growth.

This leaves plenty of systems catalogued but essentially untouched by humans or the like.
 
Modern human gorwth rates range from -10% to +15% per annum, but much of that is not replication.

Humans can begin reproducing safely (phisiologically and typically) at 16, unsafely at 10-12. Since we're going for max... we'll use safely.

Safe rate past that point is 1 year birth to pregnancy; many nursing mothers don't ovulate for the first year... so we'll assume 2 years birth to birth.

Assuming modern medicine, up to 15 births have been known before scarring of the uterus is too severe for stable pregnancy.
so 15 per 45 years per female. We'll assume 1:1 M-F, just for sanity. so 7.5 persons per person per 45 years. Roughly 4.6% per year. or, in 1000 years, sextillions of times the population.

Compared to rabbits: 3 litters of 6+ per year, breeding at 1 year, living up to 10, 162x per 10years... x1e220 per millennium.

Given a stable healthy genetically diverse 100 persons, and monogamy, and 4% MSG you'll expect a million in about 250 years of MSG, and a billion in about 410.

So, yes, we are POTENTIALLY that fecund. With a more moderate 2% growth, a million takes about 450 years; a billion takes about 815 years, and the millennium is 39 billion (39e9).

At a modern LPG rate (0.5%), like much of europe, those same hundred would only get us 14 thousand people in a millennia.
 
Hey daryen, I'm surprised you left Aramis off of your list.
Well, I came up with some more regions. I'm up to 25 now. The Domain of Deneb looks good - I'm going to drop one of your Aslan worlds and put Andory on there since it's supposed to be the possible homeworld of the Droyne. It sucks that it's Interdicted - that would be one to visit. The only other region I have info on is The Solomani Rim and I don't know that much about it. Does anyone have The Alien Modules? Thanks for all the responses!

Not sure where to go from here,

Dameon

Here's the new list:

The Imperium (The Domain of Sylea)
Capital
Reference

The Imperium (The Domain of Vland)
Vland (Vilani Homeworld)

The Imperium (The Domain of Sol)
Terra (Solomani Homeworld)
Muan Gwi (Vegan Homeworld)

The Imperium (The Domain of Illesh)
Dlan

The Imperium (The Domain of Antares)
Antares

The Imperium (The Domain of Gateway)

The Imperium (The Domain of Deneb)
Regina
Andory (Possible Droyne homeworld - Interdicted)
Darrian
Biter
Glisten
Deneb
Vincennes
Floria
Hreahrya
Aramis

The Solomani Sphere
Home

Aslan Client States

The Aslan Hierate
Kuzu (Aslan Homeworld)

Dark Nebula
Kusyu

The Great Rift

The Aslan Colonies

The Vanguard Reaches

The Beyond

Reft Sector

Human Client States

The Zhodani Consulate
Zhodane (Zhodani Homeworld)

The Vargr Extents
Lair (Vargr Homeworld)

Vargr Enclaves

The Lesser Rift

The Two Thousand Worlds
Kirur (Centaur Homeworld)

Mixed and Scattered Client States
Spica

The Hive Federation
Guaran (Hive Homeworld)
Glea (Hive Federation Capital)

Hive Young Worlds
 
I guess I'm looking at this more like: if you had a teleporter and could go anywhere in Known Space, where would you go... The Wonders of the Galaxy type of thing we've talked about before. Like, I want to find stats for the Prison Planet in the Solomani Rim to throw on here.

Later,

Dameon
 
Oh, and you may also want to include the following worlds in the Solomani Rim:

Arcturus - Murder on Arcturus Station

Bellerophon - Nomads of the World-Ocean

Cymbeline - Signal GK
 
Kusyu is in Dark Nebula and Kuzu is in the Aslan Hierate unless I'm reading the maps wrong. Kuzu is on the CT Library Data map and Kusyu is on the MT Referee's Manual map.

I'll add those tonite,

Dameon
 
So I was thinking that we could tinker a bit with this and come up with the Top 100 worlds in Known Space. Say, if someone had the time and inclination to go on a cruise, what would they want to see in each region.
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"top 100" in what way? For tourism? history? impressive sunsets? excitement? entertainment?

Give us a way to narrow things down a bit
 
Originally posted by Sir Dameon Toth:
Hey daryen, I'm surprised you left Aramis off of your list.
Well, I came up with some more regions. I'm up to 25 now. The Domain of Deneb looks good - I'm going to drop one of your Aslan worlds and put Andory on there since it's supposed to be the possible homeworld of the Droyne. It sucks that it's Interdicted - that would be one to visit.
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I wouldn't have ever included Aramis. (Sorry, Aramis.
) It is a fairly boring world, with a petty despot and mediocre technology. There are many worlds I would include prior to mentioning Aramis.

Instead let me suggest Esalin. It is the world that is nominally controlled by both the Zhodani and the Imperium. While it is really under Imperial control, Zhodani are free to come and go. Thus the world provides the Imperial citizen the best possible chance to interact with Zhodani in a fairly safe environment.

I had thought of Andor (not Andory) and Candory. However, I specifically did not include them, as they are interdicted and extremely difficult to get to (minimum J3). If they were not interdicted, I would have included them.

I was trying to look at it from the point of view of an Imperial citizen in the Classic Era. It is not going to be recommended for an Imperial citizen to visit an interdicted world.

(This is similar to why I included Biter instead of Gram. The better destination is Gram, but from the POV of an Imperial citizen, Biter is probably the safer, yet still effective, choice.)

If you want to include Droyne worlds, use Zeen in Deneb instead. It is a safely Imperial world that isn't "zoned" and is run by Droyne. Another choice is Ayidem in the Reaches. It is an Amber zone, but is also an open Imperial world run by the Dryone. Zeen is probably the best choice, though.
 
Well, I think I would go with Top 100 Exciting Worlds, but Technologically Advanced or Incredible Natural Feature would work, too. I'll go ahead and make those changes daryen. I appreciate all your help!

Dameon
 
Don't forget Historical Battle Site Worlds. The sites of old battles are often great tourist spots and provide some more depth to Known Space. I'd suggest choosing one battle site which characterizes each major confict known.

Some might even have historical reenactment groups there for added flavor to bring in the tourists.
 
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