Need canon information about Gazelle Class

[far-trader]

Book 2 says 14 months.

That would be a standard 400ton hull. Doesn't work for the 300ton Gazelle, not even as a 400ton hull due to the drives being more than 50tons I think. Even if you could build it in Book 2 you'd have to use the drive table for construction time. Which would be 16 months.

So 11 months is actually pretty fast. Maybe the IN pays for overtime.

Even faster it would seem. While it's under 36 months for hulls 5000tons and less in High Guard (hulls over 5000tons are 24-60 months) all times are "based on conditions, volume of orders, and the degree of haste desired by the ordering government." So no problem writing it off as some of that bringing it down to 11 months in production at state of the art yards working triple shifts, without having to pay overtime and increase the price

 

[far-trader]

I started wondering if MT (you've been referencing it lately iirc) had numbers for construction times but it turns out it is exactly the same as High Guard.

I don't know where Andrew Moffatt-Vallance got the numbers for his High Guard Shipyard program but a (quick ) Gazelle rework in it gives 71 Weeks Singly, 57 Weeks in Quantity. But I came up 4 tons left over and about MCr9 under budget so I'm not sure what's up there For whatever that's worth...

 

[Gadrin]

So 11 months is actually pretty fast. Maybe the IN pays for overtime.


Mostly it fits. The Rhylanor part fits very well; the Unicorn is registered on Rhylanor. Margesi supposedly has a population of 900, so the amount of civilian shipping it can maintain and overhaul, let alone build, would be severely limited (Cue Frequently Discussed Topic #14, "How can you run a Class A starport with a population level of 2 and how would you make enough money to keep in the black?"). Jae Tellona has a population of 900,000, so it might just be able to swing it. It'd be a "company world" for sure. Which actually would fit well enough with its captive government.

What's the source of that quote?


Hans

So 6 would be ridiculous.

I'm not sure the numbers reflect current pops, that was last census or so, right ? So look at the dates for census and decide if Clan Severn has contacts in the subsector(s) goes on a hiring jag and then farms them out to the appropriate location(s) all in response to a large contract. I imagine that the Imperium considers that sort of infrastructure in their prospective builders, knowing that if they need X ships by date Y they can approach someone like Clan Severn who has the wherewithal to ramp up it's labor force to meet a proposal.

Those 400-ton lab ships would make a nice hotel-in-space too, although there's probably better ones. So a contract might include clauses for initiation, X-amount of time for headhunting qualified labor and then bringing it all together in multiple spots. Sounds like 6 months or so work, possibly less for those
with a great deal of experience. They might have friends in high places too, like a mega-corp, even though that sounds a bit backwards.

I wonder what kind of margins shipbuilding has, what a Gazelle is worth per unit in profit to someone like Clan Severn.

HIWG is the History of the Imperium Working Group CD. I just did a search in Windows on the main directory and the used GREP to get each line with Severn in it out.

Funny Note: There's an NPC called Lucky Severn in one of the CT pdfs :rofl:



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[robject]

Well, let's see. The text in JTAS #4 (which corresponds to 060-1106) says that "hundreds" of Gazelles have been built. Let's assume that the number is ca. 300. Ships are numbered consecutively according to the dates they are laid down. The Unicorn was the 57th ship laid down. So between 105-1084 (When the Unicorn was laid down) and 060-1106, some 240 Gazelles were laid down [...] So to build 240 ships you need 10 shipyards. So it would seem that ten Gazelles were being built at any one time.

The Stag has number 13791, so it was the 23rd ship laid down after the Unicorn. 240 ships in 22 years is one ship every 33.5 days on the average. 23 times 33.5 is ~770, so the Stag could have been laid down 2 years and 40 days after the Unicorn, on 145-1086.

[plus or minus various factors which might as well cancel each other out]

[...] To account for random chance, I threw two D6 to get a result of +/- 1-6 months and got a result of -2, making me subtract 60 days from the date above, for a final laid down date of 085-1086.

Assume a steady production schedule, for simplicity, of 10 ships per year.

the Gazelle (The first ship of the class) had the tail number CE-13712 and the Unicorn (a sample ship shown in JTAS #4) the tail number CE-13768.

56 earlier than the Unicorn. Thus the Gazelle's keel was laid down 5.6 years before the Unicorn... i.e. 248-1078?

248-1078  Gazelle  Keel laid down
105-1084  Unicorn  Keel laid down   Clan Severn
085-1086  Stag     Keel laid down

This is good stuff. Consider it used.

 

[Hal]

Why not look at the rules given in TCS as for how long a ship takes for production, and the fastest it can be produced paying overtime etc?

Secondly, I thought the bulk of the ships fighting the False War aka the fourth frontier war) were TL 14's instead of TL 15's?

 

[E.D.Quibell]

There is an Al Mora owned Gazelle in the SMC. The stats are the same as the ones you already have and there is no more detail about the ship.

Regards,

Ewan

 

[E.D.Quibell]

In Supp 05 Page 10
"With the outbreak
of war in early 1082, the Azhanti immediately led its small escort of Fiery and
Gazelle class ships directly toward the Zhodani thrust through Vilis subsector, and
succeeded in beating back the enemy with minimal losses to the lmperial Task
Force."

Adventure 3 Page 11
"AlginelRegina (0803.X7669774). This world is interdicted. A naval task force
(perhaps a Kinunir class battlecruiser and several Gazelle class close escorts} will not
allow landing on Algine and are uncommunicative as to the reason for the interdiction.
They will allow refuelling by skimming the local gas giant."

 

[robject]

There is an Al Mora owned Gazelle in the SMC. The stats are the same as the ones you already have and there is no more detail about the ship.

Thanks. Four of them, in fact, acting as Route Protectors.

 

[rancke]

Thanks. Four of them, in fact, acting as Route Protectors.

But no names.


Hans