Noble Militaries

[aramis]

Let's examine some of the costs...

Squad, 8 man: 1LSgt 1 Cpl, 2 LCpl, 4 Pvt.
Equip: CES + ACR + AutoPistol +MessDressUnif+ 2xServiceDressUnif+2xFieldUnif +LBE+2xCanteen+ETool + radio (CT Medium Range TL 10)+Watch

Initial Equip: Cr26480=8x3310= 8x(Cr1000 CES + Cr1000 ACR + Cr210 AP + Cr20 canteens + Cr20 LBE + Cr10 ETool + Cr250 Radio +Cr700 Uniforms + Cr100Watch )
Call the replacement schedule for it all on 5 years, at 13 mo/year for the OTU


Salary:Cr2900=Cr500+Cr450+(2*Cr400)+(4*Cr300) per month. (CT Bk4)
Housing: Cr2400=Cr400/mo per man (TTB)
Ammo: Cr1160= 8xCr145= 100rds/mo/man (minimal range time) on both weapons. 75 ACR 70AP (Bk4, TTB)
Gear Replacement Fund: ~Cr410 per month.

About Cr6870/mo, plus a rough at-hire outlay of KCr30.

For a squad.

For a platoon of 2 sections, quadruple that, and add a Lt, a LdSgt, a GySgt, and a Sgt
Squads:27480=4x6870
Salaries +2850=1000+700+600+550
Housing +1600
Ammo: +580=4*145
Gear Rep: +250 (Including hand comps for senior cadre)
Admin expendables: Cr100

about 32860/mo for a platoon

 

[Blue Ghost]

Thread necromancy;

From my over-the-top example here; http://www.travellerrpg.com/CotI/Discuss/showthread.php?t=26737&highlight=noble+militaries&page=6

Behold; Princess Jane

http://files.sharenator.com/women_in_military_640_03_Women_In_Military-s480x640-49287-580.jpg

 

[rancke]

Let's examine some of the costs...

[snip a lot of good stuff]

about 32860/mo for a platoon

Any chance you could expand on this to make a generic table of how much it would cost someone to establish and maintain a unit of household troops? Not specifically Third Imperium, but generic? What it would cost a king or president or noble or other big mucketymuck to maintain personal guards?

Say for

          Initial    Per year

Platoon
Company (3 squads?)
Half-battalion (Or whatever the right term is; two battalions)
Battalion (4-5 companies?)
Half-regiment (Or whatever the right term is; two battalions.
Regiment (4-5 battalions?)
Brigade (two regiments)
Division (two brigades)
Corps
Army (or is it the other way around?)

Something like that would be really useful for giving a sense of the proportions. "You can give your NPC noble a regiment of household troops, but he would be paying umpteen credits per year for them. Is that the power level you're aiming for?"


Hans

 

[aramis]

I need to rework the numbers, Hans - I forgot integral medical and signals.

Basic issue:

CES	Cr1000
ACR	Cr1000
AP	Cr210
LBE	Cr20
Etool	Cr10
Radio, Med TL10	Cr250
2xCanteens	Cr20
Watch	Cr100
Uniforms	Cr700
Total	Cr3310

Squad: (8 man)

Who	Salary	Basic Issue	–
LSgt	Cr500	3310	Note 1
Cpl	Cr450	3310	–
LCpl	Cr400	3310	–
LCpl	Cr400	3310	–
Pvt	Cr300	3310	–
Pvt	Cr300	3310	–
Pvt	Cr300	3310	–
Pvt-Medic	Cr300	4310	Medkit
Total	Cr2950	Cr27480	–

Platoon 35 man

Squad 1	Cr3000	Cr27480	+Sgt -LSgt
Squad 2	Cr2950	Cr27480	–
Squad 3	Cr2950	Cr27480	–
Squad 4	Cr3000	Cr27480	+Sgt -LSgt
Spc	Cr300	4310	Computer
GySgt	Cr600	Cr3310	–
2Lt	Cr1000	Cr5810	+Map Box
Plt Total	Cr13800	Cr113,350	–

Company 139 man

Plt 1	Cr14100	Cr113,350	-GySgt +LdSgt -2Lt +1Lt
Plt 2	Cr13800	Cr113,350	–
Plt 3	Cr13800	Cr113,350	–
Plt 4	Cr13900	Cr113,350	-GySgt + Ld Sgt
Spc LCpl Admin	Cr400	Cr4310	Computer
Spc Cpl Admin	Cr450	Cr4310	Computer
Spc LCpl Armorer	Cr400	Cr5310	Mech and Metalwork toolkits
Spc LCpl Medic	Cr400	Cr4310	Medkit
Spc LCpl Supply Clerk	Cr400	Cr4310	Computer
Spc LCpl Commo Clerk	Cr400	Cr9310	Computer, Radio Continental TL9+
1Sgt	Cr800	Cr4310	Computer
Cpt	Cr1400	Cr5810	Computer & Map Box
Company total	Cr60250	Cr495,380	+Map Box

Expenses

Housing, per man	Cr400	basic housing from TTB
Ammo, per man	Cr145	100 rounds each ACR and AP
Gear replacement	1/65 initial issue	5 year schedule, 13 months per year
Morale fund, per man	Cr10	Monthly unit party or equivalent
Monthly, per man	Cr555+(Issue/65)	—
Monthly, per man, plus food	Cr700+(Issue/65)

[tr]

Expenses by unit, adding offices for Cpt, 1Lt, 2Lt, 1Sgt, Armorer, Supply, Admin as additional housing units, and +2 month's rent on housing at initial hire for security/cleaning deposit.

Unit	Men	Monthly-Food	Mo+Food	Initial issue
Squad	8	Cr7,813	Cr8,973	Cr33,880
Section	16	Cr15,626	Cr17,946	Cr67,760
Platoon	35	Cr34,969	Cr40,044	Cr142150	1 office
Company	139	Cr88,367	Cr162,305	Cr613780	9 offices

This does not include the costs of FINDING the personnel. This is just getting them up to snuff. This also presumes they buy their own food.


Deployed, ammo is going to be 300 rounds a day in combat.

Feeding your troops is roughly Cr145/mo each; while that's 29 days, rather than 28, it allows for a few extra treats. Cost of a mess hall is extra. Adding a dedicated cook would be another LCpl with a Cr1000 field kitchen; having a cook amongst the troops is also doable.
Field rations instead run Cr480 per month per man - but need no cook.

Daily combat expenses are going to be about 300 rounds ammunition for each weapon, so about Cr450 per day, plus triple field rations for about Cr60 per day, plus uniform repairs/replacements of about Cr10 per day. Additional needed materials will need some slop, too... So, call it about Cr550 per man per day to fight.
Field training is probably about half that. so Cr275 per day per man.
Basic training is 6 weeks... Rounding up, to allow for needed replacements of uniforms, etc, and you get a gear repair, food & ammo cost of about Cr10K per recruit or instructor for basic. This is also not included in the above. If you can find all veteran privates, you don't need to run basic.

A huscarles unit is likely (like the FFL does) to run every man through basic even if he's an incoming NCO, simply to bond him to the unit and to bring him up to the units expected SOP.

Note 1: for every 2 squads (rounded down), 1 will have a Sgt, rather than a LSgt.

 

[Sifu Blackirish]

Sifu strolls in...

I do not have Nobles as classically defined IMTU, but I have some advantages for characters of a high enough social standing.
They get one skill from the Noble tables and roll for promotion as normal.

I do have one retired Army General who forms her own mercenary outfit. I would imagine that the controlling government entity would screen potential mercenary commanders and will not grant a license to those it considers politically unreliable. Her story is here:

http://www.travellerrpg.com/CotI/Discuss/showthread.php?t=30607

This is just a gut reaction to those few posts I have read so far, but I feel that the very presence of mercenaries is subject to several variables. Amount of government involvement (interference/meddling), ease of access to equipment, stability of the interstellar political situation...

 

[Timerover51]

I do not have Nobles as classically defined IMTU, but I have some advantages for characters of a high enough social standing.
They get one skill from the Noble tables and roll for promotion as normal.

I do have one retired Army General who forms her own mercenary outfit. I would imagine that the controlling government entity would screen potential mercenary commanders and will not grant a license to those it considers politically unreliable. Her story is here:

http://www.travellerrpg.com/CotI/Discuss/showthread.php?t=30607

This is just a gut reaction to those few posts I have read so far, but I feel that the very presence of mercenaries is subject to several variables. Amount of government involvement (interference/meddling), ease of access to equipment, stability of the interstellar political situation...

Tolerance of a planetary government for any form of private military forces should vary based on a planet's government type and law level. Governments tend to like to reserve to themselves the right to resort to armed violence.

 

[rancke]

Governments tend to like to reserve to themselves the right to resort to armed violence.

True, but sometimes they're compelled by circumstances, tradition, or some more powerful entity (like the Imperium) to accept conditions that goes against their preferences. For a historical example think of Egypt under the friendly advice of their British allies.


Hans

 

[Timerover51]

True, but sometimes they're compelled by circumstances, tradition, or some more powerful entity (like the Imperium) to accept conditions that goes against their preferences. For a historical example think of Egypt under the friendly advice of their British allies.


Hans

Hans, according to the rule that one cannot use one's real world expertise in the Forum, I cannot refute your comments.

 

[rancke]

Hans, according to the rule that one cannot use one's real world expertise in the Forum, I cannot refute your comments.

What you can't do is use the 'I'm an expert so you must take my word for it "argument"' to browbeat people with. Actual arguments with substance to them are required.


Hans

 

[rancke]

As for browbeating you, I view that as utterly impossible.

Why thank you very much. That's the nicest thing you've ever said to me.


Hans

 

[McPerth]

What you can't do is use the 'I'm an expert so you must take my word for it "argument"' to browbeat people with. Actual arguments with substance to them are required.

That's also my interpretation, and under such is how I will act as moderator.

Of course your experience will show up in the fields you have it, you just don't need to claim where it comes from, less so if you seem to try to downplay others' oppinions by doing so.

This rule has always reminded me about this vilani proberb (MT:V&V page 15):

Isazii shagukardun gylashbir asi (only inferior rulers must prove their superiority).

And I'm sure it does not apply to you, so let your arguments show us your knowledge, instead of claiming it.