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Problems with the Classic Traveller CD-ROM, Take #2

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DonM

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Interesting... someone apparently was playing games with the "Take 1" thread, so here we are with Take #2. The best part was the lack of explanation, especially since even a cursory look at the thread would have allowed the reader to know that that old post information was included in my lead post...

:nonono:

So, here we are, again, for the very first time...

Here's the Issues List for the CT CD-ROM:

The Traveller Book.pdf: No identified issues.
The Traveller Adventure.pdf: page 37 rotated.
Traveller Starter Edition.pdf: page 8 upside down; all pages fuzzy resolution; need rescan.

B00 Book 00 An Introduction to Traveller.pdf: page 10 upside down; fuzzy resolution; need rescan.
B01 Book 01 Characters & Combat 1981.pdf: Confirmed no issues.
B02 Book 02 Starships 1981.pdf: Confirmed no issues.
B03 Book 03 Worlds and Adventures 1981.pdf: Confirmed no issues.
B04 Book 04 Mercenary.pdf: page 44 different size.
B05 Book 05 High Guard 1980.pdf: page 17 different size.
B06 Book 06 Scouts.pdf: double page 30, missing page 31, page 52 upside down; fuzzy resolution; need rescan.
B07 Book 07 Merchant Prince.pdf: page 4 upside down, 8, 9 and 27 have issues.
B08 Book 08 Robots.pdf: fuzzy resolution; need rescan.
00 Book 00 Understanding Traveller.pdf: No identified issues.

A00 Adventure 00 The Imperial Fringe Sector Map.pdf: Confirmed no issues.
A00 Adventure 00 The Imperial Fringe.pdf: Confirmed no issues.
A01 Adventure 01 The Kinunir.pdf: Confirmed no issues.
A02 Adventure 02 Research Station Gamma.pdf: fuzzy resolution; need rescan.
A03 Adventure 03 Twilight's Peak.pdf: pages 51 - 57 different size.
A04 Adventure 04 Leviathan.pdf: No identified issues.
A05 Adventure 05 Trillion Credit Squadron.pdf: No identified issues.
A06 Adventure 06 Expedition to Zhodane.pdf: No identified issues.
A07 Adventure 07 Broadsword.pdf: No identified issues.
A08 Adventure 08 Prison Planet.pdf: No identified issues.
A09 Adventure 09 Nomads of the World Ocean.pdf: No identified issues.
A10 Adventure 10 Safari Ship.pdf: pages 15 and 25 upside-down; fuzzy resolution; need rescan.
A11 Adventure 11 Murder on Arcturus Station.pdf: fuzzy resolution; need rescan.
A12 Adventure 12 Secret of the Ancients.pdf: No identified issues.
A13 Adventure 13 Signal GK.pdf: No identified issues.

AM1 Alien 01 Aslan.pdf: No identified issues.
AM2 Alien 02 K'kree.pdf: No identified issues.
AM3 Alien 03 Vargr.pdf: double page 20, page 16 missing; overall light. NOTE: page 28 is missing because it was originally BLANK.
AM4 Alien 04 Zhodani.pdf: double page 23 and 24; page 42 missing; overall light.
AM5 Alien 05 Droyne.pdf: No identified page issues; overall light.
AM6 Alien 06 Solomani.pdf: No identified issues.
AM7 Alien 07 Hivers.pdf: page 45 upside-down.
AM8 Alien 08 Darrians.pdf: double page 32.

D01 Double 01a Annic Nova.pdf: fuzzy resolution; need rescan.
D01 Double 01b Shadows.pdf: fuzzy resolution; need rescan.
D02 Double 02a Across The Bright Face.pdf: No identified issues.
D02 Double 02b Mission On Mithril.pdf: missing page 6.
D03 Double 03a The Argon Gambit.pdf: No identified issues.
D03 Double 03b Death Station.pdf: No identified issues.
D04 Double 04a Marooned.pdf: No identified issues.
D04 Double 04b Marooned Alone.pdf: No identified issues.
D05 Double 05a The Chamax Plague.pdf: No identified issues.
D05 Double 05b Horde.pdf: No identified issues.
D06 Double 06a Divine Intervention.pdf: No identified issues.
D06 Double 06b Night of Conquest.pdf: page 13 upside down.

G00 Game 00 Imperium Chart.jpg: No identified issues.
G00 Game 00 Imperium Complete.pdf: No identified issues.
G00 Game 00d Imperium Map Basic.jpg: No identified issues.
G00 Game 00d Imperium Map Expanded.pdf: No identified issues.
G00 Game 00e Imperium Chart1.jpg: No identified issues.
G00 Game 00e Imperium Chart2.jpg: No identified issues.
G00 Game 00e Imperium Chart3.jpg: No identified issues.
G01 Game 01a Mayday Rules.pdf: No identified issues.
G01 Game 01b Mayday Counters and Maps.pdf: No identified issues.
G02 Game 02a Snapshot Rules.pdf: No identified issues.
G02 Game 02b Snapshot Counters and Maps.pdf: No identified issues.
G02 Game 02c Snapshot Map.pdf: No identified issues.
G03 Game 03a Azhanti High Lightning Rules.pdf: No identified issues.
G03 Game 03b Azhanti High Lightning Deck Plans.pdf: No identified issues.
G03 Game 03c Azhanti High Lightning Counters and Charts.pdf: No identified issues.
G04 Game 04 Fifth Frontier War Complete.pdf: Counters need rescan.
G05 Game 05a Invasion Earth Rules.pdf: No identified issues.
G05 Game 05b Invasion Earth Charts and Counters.pdf: No identified issues.
G05 Game 05c Invasion Earth Map.pdf: No identified issues.
G06 Game 06a Dark Nebula Rules and Charts.pdf: No identified issues.
G06 Game 06b Dark Nebula Maps and Counters.pdf: No identified issues.
G07 Game 07a Striker Book1.pdf: No identified issues.
G07 Game 07b Striker Book2.pdf: No identified issues.
G07 Game 07c Striker Book3.pdf: No identified issues.
G07 Game 07d Striker Book4.pdf: No identified issues.
G07 Game 07 Striker Box Cover.pdf: No identified issues.

M01 Module 01 Tarsus.pdf: No identified issues.
M02 Module 02 Beltstrike.pdf: No identified issues.
M03 Module 03 Spinward Marches Campaign.pdf: No identified issues.
M04 Module 04 Alien Realms.pdf: double page 32.
M05 Module 05 Atlas of the Imperium.pdf: significant problems; need rescan.

S01 Supplement 01 1001 Characters.pdf: No identified issues.
S02 Supplement 02 Animal Encounters.pdf: No identified issues.
S03 Supplement 03 The Spinward Marches.pdf: No identified issues.
S04 Supplement 04 Citizens of the Imperium.pdf: No identified issues.
S05 Supplement 05 Azhanti High Lightning.pdf: pages 4 and 5 missing.
S06 Supplement 06 76 Patrons.pdf: No identified issues.
S07 Supplement 07 Traders & Gunboats.pdf: No identified issues.
S08 Supplement 08 Library Data A-M.pdf: No identified issues.
S09 Supplement 09 Fighting Ships.pdf: No identified issues.
S10 Supplement 10 The Solomani Rim.pdf: No identified issues.
S11 Supplement 11 Library Data N-Z.pdf: No identified issues.
S12 Supplement 12 Forms & Charts.pdf: No identified issues.
S13 Supplement 13 Veterans.pdf: missing pages 34 and 38.

SS1 Special Supplement 1 Merchant Prince.pdf: No identified issues.
SS2 Special Supplement 2 Exotic Atmospheres.pdf: Missing page 5.
SS3 Special Supplement 3 Missiles.pdf: No identified issues.
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And then there are the missing items:
B01 Book 01 Characters & Combat 1977.pdf
B02 Book 02 Starships 1977.pdf
B03 Book 03 Worlds and Adventures 1977.pdf
B05 Book 05 High Guard 1979.pdf
D07 Double 07a Memory Alpha.pdf
D07 Double 07b Stranded on Arden.pdf
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The Traveller Book.pdf: Confirmed no issues.

00 Book 00 Understanding Traveller.pdf: Confirmed no issues.

CT A04 Adventure 04 Leviathan.pdf: Confirmed no issues.
 
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CT A05 Adventure 05 Trillion Credit Squadron.pdf
pg 21, 23; scan not straight
pg 44-45; map not in color
 
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CT A06 Adventure 06 Expedition to Zhodane.pdf
pg 45, 47; map not in color
 
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Well, given that my research on the Classic Reprints led to the FFE Errata page, and that Marc's directive was to "fix the CT CD-ROM", I'd suspect something in that direction.

However, I'll confess that I do not know exactly what the nature of the fixes will take...
 
I'd gladly pay cost to have a corrected, full CD ROM. I'm pretty sure I bought one already...
Files are OK, but computers have a way of digesting them.
 
Ffw

G04 Game 04 Fifth Frontier War Complete.pdf:
Scans of the counters on pages 28-31 are uneven. Some areas, notably the identifying names and numbers of units and the names of the Admirals on the back side of the counters, are unreadable.
 
Ok, I've got new instructions from Marc...

We're ready for the big elephant in the room, OCR errors.

I'm looking for the following OCR problems:
1. Minor: mostly correct, just a few places where it needs to be corrected.
2. Major: there's stuff there, but it's garbage.
3. Total: Not ocr'd at all.

Unless there are other suggestions, proceed to storm the castle!
 
I was asked by some well-intentioned folks to "widen" my target audience for issues. My attempt did not go very well, and sadly, like all too many things related to Traveller, the result of my naivete is likely to linger like the smell of dead K'kree at a joint Vargr/Aslan roast.

So, if you remain interested in fixing the CT CD-ROM, this will be where the work happens.
 
I must have very low standards, because I didn't really notice anything amiss with my CT CD-ROM ... :o

Pssst! Marc! Fix the MT CD-ROM first! ;)
 
DonM said:
Ok, I've got new instructions from Marc...

We're ready for the big elephant in the room, OCR errors.

I'm looking for the following OCR problems:
1. Minor: mostly correct, just a few places where it needs to be corrected.
2. Major: there's stuff there, but it's garbage.
3. Total: Not ocr'd at all.

Unless there are other suggestions, proceed to storm the castle!
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Well you'd have to dump each of the PDFs to text then read them, compare the text to the graphic representation on the page, in other words: word by word, page by page.

I've done searches in the Spinward Marches book (not the campaign) and was not able to find a world or two by text searching, even though I was looking at the world on the page.

I remember looking at one of the PDFs and seeing that it shows the version of the software that made it. My own passing familiarity with OCR is that usually the next version is much better than the last.

Looking at CT 00 Book 00 Understanding Traveller.pdf, the document properties on the FILE menu, shows it was made with:

Adobe Acrobat 7.08 Paper Capture Plug-in

(and a few other random pdfs I checked). You can google for Adobe Paper Capture and see what's available now, I think the pdfs were made with Adobe v7 (obviously) and hopefully the newer versions 8 or 9 will be better.

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You might mention to Mark he might talk to one of his publisher friends like Steve Jackson, who are in the business of producing PDFs from their own inventory (slowly converting old books to PDF).

I believe it's a different system, in other words the software they use to produce their books is all digital, meaning the text is converted wholesale, not by a scanning process, so they can make high-quality PDFs. However not all of their inventory will follow this process (esp older stuff) and will need to be converted by whatever means they deem is cost-effective.

The main idea, is to talk to their people and see what they know about the process (which should be considerable).

I'm not 100% sure, but I think the method of having a person sit behind a computer, turn pages, center pages for the scanner, 1 page at a time is probably the last option. That's why I think some of the PDFs came out bad: it was automated.

But, I'm no expert.

Heck, Evil Stevie might be able to make him a nice deal on producing PDFs. Maybe...maybe not. I don't know what Mark knows already.

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Thanks Tim, got that update.

I know that the simpler and cheaper the solution, the faster the fix.

And I've also heard and seen some people say they have fixed their own pdfs.

IF you have done something like that, send details to me at don.mckinney@gmail.com, and not on CoTI. I've already got some submissions, and I need to start sifting through all of them...

I know that someone's going to complain about people doing work for Marc, but the fact is: if you've already done the work, we might as well take advantage of it. Marc's resources can focus on what's left.

What solution Marc will use, I don't know yet. For all I know, it's Darlene working SimpleOCR and Marc typing corrections in the text. :rofl:

Are there any other image problems with the CT CD-ROM pdfs?
 
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