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Reading Dune

I started reading Dune long ago, and gave it up as too much of a slog.

I did the same with the LOTR, made it though the Hobbit and bogged down. Based on some advice, I re-read LOTR and this time skipped every section with a poem or song. Much nicer, and good reads. At least as good as the movies.

I went back to Dune, but the--mud, I guess--isn't as easy to skip there. The internal dialogue and back story it just too much effort to make it a good read.

Does anyone have a suggestion so I can read the stories?
 
Just read Dune.

Read it!

Watch the Movie if you want the Cliff Notes version.

It's awesome.

Also, those poems in the LOTR become critically important once you've read it several times. You start mining every nuance for setting information, theology, and history. Then you end up able to read the Simarillion more than once.'

You will know when you're ready.
 
No, no you must stay awayfrom the Silmarillion!
Just read Dune.

Read it!

Watch the Movie if you want the Cliff Notes version.

It's awesome.

Also, those poems in the LOTR become critically important once you've read it several times. You start mining every nuance for setting information, theology, and history. Then you end up able to read the Simarillion more than once.'

You will know when you're ready.
 
I've tried twice, with no success. And this from a guy who read the LotR religiously for most of a decade, and whose favorite book might very well be The Silmarillion.
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Dune is amazing. It's the only book I've every read that makes me feel smarter than I am.

It's best selling science fiction book of all time--no other scifi book as sold as many copies.
 
...you end up able to read the Simarillion more than once.'

Read it? I can't even spell Silma, Simer, Slim... it.

Actually I might have read it once ages ago. Can't say it stuck though. I re-read LOTR for the second time (just before the movies) and it was the first time it stuck.

Advice on Dune? Hmm, dunno, never had trouble with any of it. Can't say I recall slogging in mud at all. Read them all through and enjoyed them muchly a couple times. On my list for a reread at some point.

OK, might be silly as a suggestion, but the last time I read them it was late evenings, a chapter at a time, quiet house, warm, with a cup of hot chocolate and cinnamon (Spice ;)) toast and then to sleep.
 
Read Dune a few times, but I liked the books after it, God Emperor and Chapterhouse, etc. The Miles Teg book was the best.

I have my Dune Encyclopedia, which is selling for big $$ on AbeBooks now.

Tried LOTR but it was too "kiddie" for me. I'll watch the movies (never have, especially not that old anime version) if I feel the need.

Tried the Similarillion but it was too much. Kept it for a while just for the
elven names in the back :rofl:

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The first book in the Dune series is close to the Sci-Fi channel version that was on a few years back (or the other way around). A lot was changed with the David Lynch version - but it's a good version with some background elements designed by H.R. Giger (who designed the Alien in Alien). Watch both if you get a chance.

I had to see the movie first to understand some of what was going on. He delves into ecology and politics more in the book. But after rereading it a few times, I started to realize that it's almost an Ali-Baba in Space - he even uses Roman and Middle Eastern terms and concepts throughout the series.

Oh, just to warn you, the Harkkonens are very different in the David Lynch movie than in the book. Not for childrens eyes or the faint of heart. I heard there was some footage that they wouldn't even release on the Extended Edition DVD - which would have made it Rated R.

My advice is to watch the movie then quickly read the book not caring whether you understand what they are talking about. It makes more sense when you reread it a few times.
 
The first book in the Dune series is close to the Sci-Fi channel version that was on a few years back (or the other way around). A lot was changed with the David Lynch version - but it's a good version with some background elements designed by H.R. Giger (who designed the Alien in Alien). Watch both if you get a chance.

Word on the street is that they're making a new Dune movie, due out in 2010, maybe.



The spice must flow.
 
Hate to admit it, but I agree with the OP. The first time I tried reading Dune, on the word of my friends who insisted it was the greatest SF novel ever, I got about 50 pages in and couldn't go on. Put it away for 5 or 6 years, then tried again. Managed to finish it the second time, and enjoyed it enough that I read books 2 and 3, too. But IMO, though it may be the bestselling SF novel of all time, it ain't the best SF novel (my money would be on The Mote in God's Eye or The Stars, My Destination). Too many characters, too much religious hokum, too much too much.

But you should read it, both so you'll know what the hype is about and because it is a terrific story, once you cut through the incredibly dense opening material and understand the background. Hit one of several Wikipedia articles that outline the family trees of the houses and explain the background of Herbert's universe. It's considerably easier to approach if you don't just jump right in over your head the way Herbert wants you to.

Steve
 
My feelings are mixed when it comes to Dune.

I tried to read it when I was too young. It wasn't what I was looking for in high school. I wanted Star Wars action. Herbert gave something I couldn't comprehend at the time, relegating it to the "boring BS" category.

After the SciFi Dune version aired, I gave Dune another shot, as an adult, and that's when my eyes were opened. I do recognize it as some of the best science fiction ever written.

I love Dune and the Duniverse.

At the same time, I realize that the stories aren't traditional. Herbert is better with ideas then he is with story structure. IMO, the Dune books have no ending. They start out in an intriguing manner, then reach a plateau, and never give you a third Act. There's no climax. It's Beginning, then Middle, with no Ending. The pages just stop being available.

In many ways, Dune is traditional space opera. It's a feudal society, and the science is not realistic. At the same time, Dune is so much more than 99.99% of every other science fiction work ever written. Herbert can and does do things in his books that I've never experienced in any other book. It literally is like having your brain jacked into a higher plane of existence.

Take, for example, the Honored Matres. Ever completely needed someone? Remember that puppy dog crush you had on that beautiful girl so many years ago--that girl you prayed to God for? The one that turned your guts to squirts. The one that you wanted so bad that you couldn't eat...you couldn't think...the one you spent every spare moment thinking about after she left you?

You'd do anything for her. You did everything in your power to get her back. You'd lie, cheat, steal....lose your freakin' job...whatever it takes.

You just want the pain to go away. And, the only thing to get that pain to go away is to get her back.

What if you could take that...whatever that is (maybe it's a gland in your head going at hyperspeed pumping dopamine into your system....or, maybe it's the fact that you can't have what you desire...or, maybe it really is love--the REAL kind of love with a capital L)...

...what if you could take THAT and infect an army of troops with it?

..what if your troops were THAT dedicated to you?

...they'd automatically die for you, not out of honor, not out of duty, not because they believed in you, not because of religion, but because they absolutely, honestly, love you more than they love themselves.

This is not what Hollywood calls "high concept". It's not something that can be distilled down into a sentence fragment to convey the point.

THAT'S what Herbert brings to you in Dune. THOSE types of concepts, all wrapped up in a traditional space opera wrapper.



In the Dune series, a man physically bonds with some native life and morphs into something else. Not a new concept. Been seen in many other science fiction stories.

But, what Herbert does is investigate what that person would really give up in order to do that. The man was really a boy when the merged to become something else--something no longer human.

He'd never had sex.

Can you imagine, going through puberty, and knowing that you'll never have sex with a woman?

Wow.

It's akin to the story of Jesus, dying on the cross so that he could pay for the world's sins--all that have come before and all that will come in the future.

It's akin to the story of a 15 year old boy who is paralysed from the neck down with normal brain function.

It's a tragedy.

That's what Dune brings you. Incredible concepts--human concepts--true science fiction.

It's definitely worth reading.
 
Go Supp4.

I am totally with Supplement Four on this, hell, my fave is the Bene Gesserit (sp?) and mostly the Prana Bindu and the Voice.

For real that stuff works, but then maybe it's the exposure over many, many readings. But I once did use it to keep a potential fight to better odds for my side. Worked quite nicely. :cool:

So yeah, it is most definitely worth reading, and then putting it away and then a few years and eeps later, go back and read it again, more will be clear the more you read it. It's awfully deep, that I will grant, but like most things of value, you pay for it and it is in the end very much worth it.
 
I actually preferred the Sci-Fi channel version to the original movie. Yes the movie was great, but it didn't stick as much to the book as far as I recall. But, I could be wrong, having watched the sci-fi channel versions many years after reading Dune.

I also don't recall wading through mud when reading Dune. It was great when I read it in high school originally.

But, I'm one of those that has read the Simarillion. I do agree large parts of it were a trudge, but it was never intended to be a finished novel.

Tried LOTR but it was too "kiddie" for me.

Did you start with the Hobbit? I don't recall Lord of the Rings to be "kiddie" at all and have read all books twice. Perhaps, because you stopped short, you got this feeling?

The Hobbit reads much differently then the Lord of the Rings. It has more of a faerie tale aspect to it, if you read part of it and only it, it makes sense that it may be too, "kiddie" for you.

If you read the first Lord of the Rings book and only got through the initial trek of the four Hobbits and the encounter with Tom Bombadil, then I also might understand why you think it was too, "kiddie". If you haven't read further then the Hobbit or the start of Fellowship of the Ring, you might try again, read further, and find yourself with a different viewpoint.
 
Oh, just to warn you, the Harkkonens are very different in the David Lynch movie than in the book. Not for childrens eyes or the faint of heart. I heard there was some footage that they wouldn't even release on the Extended Edition DVD - which would have made it Rated R.

I'd have to disagree with this a bit.

While it's strongly insinuated in the Lynch movie, they don't come right out and say that Vlad is a pedophile in the movie, something that is pretty blatant in the book - that right there makes the book a lot more adult than any amount of gore in the movie. Lynch made the Harkkonens more "eating-raw-meat-from-animals" gross in the movie, but I don't think he really made the Harkkonens any worse than they were in the book. Indeed, in the book, you get a much better impression of how oppressive, ruthless, and just cruel the Harkkonens are, especially to each other.
 
I read Dune in 184 before I saw the film, I was the same age as Paul Atreides and my name is Paul - it all resonated, and I read it, loved it, and understood it.

I agree with other folks who say that after you've read Dune, you 'feel more intelligent!!' Bizarre but true.
 
I read Dune and enjoyed it; then I tried the second one (well, the one I thought was the second) and couldn't.
 
I liked the second one.

No one gets to be god-in-the-flesh without a price to pay for it.

And while "superpowers" might topple an empire, they won't sustain one indefinitely.

Luke Skywalker would not have lasted very long in the Dune universe....
 
I have a funny relationship with Dune...

I read the book in 1984/85 just as I was starting to play Traveller. I kept on referring to the glossary at the back to understand what I was reading. Found it a great epic tale. Tried reading the sequels but they lost me entirely. Some concepts like Noble Houses and Spice made their way into Traveller games of that time.

Then in about 1990, saw the Lynch movie, absolutely hated it because I did not get it (missed my glossary).

circa 1995 picked up the Dune Encyclopedia with those Blair Reynolds illustrations fell in love with Dune again. Managed to read the first 4 books and understand them much better.

Saw the TV series (both of them) maybe 4yrs ago...finally understood what was going on. Watched the extended version of the Lynch film - loved it. Listened to the Road to Dune (Herbert's notes on the making of Dune) - loved it.

Tried listening to the prequels found they ripped too much from the Master stopped reading after House Harkonnen. Re-read Dune and loved it.

So Dune has influenced MTU and MTU no doubt has influenced how I read Dune. A pity that I could not get into the prequels, as I am sure there are rich concepts/ideas that I could steal for Traveller.

So my advice...if you want to read Dune try getting a hold of the Dune Encyclopedia. Now, if only Blair made those images for Traveller...
 
Back story and dialog were a problem.

For m, all the back story and internal dialog WAS the story.

Dune, along with James Clavell's Shogun are a couple of the rare books tthat can fit 3 independent plots, a couple of interrelated plots, and half a dozen subplots on two pages.

Defiantly on of my favorirte reads. At just less than 1400 pages,it does take me two or tyhree days toget through though.

I could not get through the sequels as well. GAve up after God Emporor.

Dune, the essence of epic in several meanings.
 
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