Robots in Milieu 0.
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kilemall
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Or your nuke needs to be talked down from exploding ala Dark Star...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29pPZQ77cmI
Because it very VERY VERY VERY much wants to explode.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29pPZQ77cmI
Because it very VERY VERY VERY much wants to explode.....
Many Evil Referees will take that route. I would.
I can see the other angle too... although when a clone brain suddenly has an epiphany right before it's about to do something truly terrifying... there's even odds it's the player characters that are running that clone brain.
mike wightman
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You've downloaded my mind and personality to a nuclear missile - if I am to be used to attack an enemy then I am going to die. I don't want to.
This is the huge flaw with this trope - the downloaded new individual has the memories and personality of the original, and that includes a sense of self and self preservation. It doesn't matter how many times you tell the machine it isn't really a person, the machine knows it is a person with a sense of self and self preservation.
Unless you can find a fanatic, or a suicidal personality...
mike wightman
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You are not training a soldier - you are asking for a kamikaze volunteer. You will die.
AnotherDilbert
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I agree, downloading a personality into a missile is silly. Keep the personality in something that has some expectation of surviving.
Condottiere
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Proneutron
SOC-13
Not to mention autonomous, unmanned combat aircraft. Other than the flight s/w and sensors it is NOT unlike advanced Computer vs. human combat game engine logic. If fact that is who the USAF targeted in recruitment for such programming.
Condottiere
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There actually are ninja kamikaze missiles.
The explosive warhead is removed, and pop out sword blades incorporated, to minimize collateral damage.
The target gets Cuisinarted.
The explosive warhead is removed, and pop out sword blades incorporated, to minimize collateral damage.
The target gets Cuisinarted.
Really? Have you tried Siri recently? It's just one of the most amazing and frustrating things we have today.
We're more at the point of the early AI in "Two faces of tomorrow" where they tell the AI to cook an egg, and it proceeds to hold the egg over the pan and just crush it - dumping the entire mess in to the pan.
They then taught it about the fragility of eggs and tried again, and it gently put the whole egg in the pan.
Modern AI is machine learning and pattern matching and box of rocks stupid.
Proneutron
SOC-13
:rofl::rofl:
You think Siri is ANYTHING like autonomous mil aircraft? :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
Condottiere
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I believe your Apple phone has a constantly transmitting geographical identifying signal.
The thing that makes it easy to target someone.
With a missile.
The thing that makes it easy to target someone.
With a missile.
Timerover51
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You are correct, which is why I leave my phone at home a lot. I am not worried about missiles, but I dislike having any track my movements. Nor do I know all what use is made of the tracking data by Apple, and how much they are selling it to those who can pay for it.
Timerover51
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It is extremely hard to find soldiers who are willing to commit suicide, unless you are Imperial Japan.
The precursor was just to lob a precision-guided inert bomb at the target. 125-250kg of iron and concrete falling at Mach Something will put a hurt on somebody, with minimal collateral damage.
For extra credit bonus points, it's also an area-denial weapon since the enemy doesn't know for sure that it's not live ordnance on a time-delay fuse...
Tim Cook, CEO of Apple, recently spoke about user privacy and Apple’s efforts to protect it:
Tim Cook said:
Here’s the link to the endgadget article, if you scroll down you’ll find the full text of his talk:
https://www.engadget.com/tim-cook-privacy-cpdp-2021-slams-facebook-184333398.html
But I agree, there’s no way to really be sure except to disengage with the tech.
Condottiere
SOC-14 5K
That horse has long since bolted from the stable.
I disengaged from social media the moment I realized that anything I recorded and was dumb enough to post online would haunt me forever, back in the two thousands.
You have had about one and a half generations doing that.
Before that, credit agencies were tracking you.
And that's before they constructed algorithms, powered by super computers, who can figure out your probable future behaviour, from all that data collected.
And even then, you can be tracked from all those around you who are still connected to the internet.
I disengaged from social media the moment I realized that anything I recorded and was dumb enough to post online would haunt me forever, back in the two thousands.
You have had about one and a half generations doing that.
Before that, credit agencies were tracking you.
And that's before they constructed algorithms, powered by super computers, who can figure out your probable future behaviour, from all that data collected.
And even then, you can be tracked from all those around you who are still connected to the internet.
Yea those sentient weapons can be a real pain. The hotter the payload, the more high maintenance they are.
ManOfGrey
SOC-12
Hmm... very interesting!
All this discussion is very interesting! Forgive me, however, for trying to narrow the focus, just a bit.
In literature and media, robots have been a staple of science-fiction for over a hundred years. Because of this, I'm somewhat curious how all you Referees out there use robots in the Milieu 0 setting, specifically. I know what the rules say. That's not the question.
I believe that the Milieu 0 setting is somewhat unique than the traditional 1107 setting. First of all, there's the difference in Tech Level... Tech-12 (max,) in lieu of Tech-15. And then there's that whole business with the Shudusham Concords mentioned previously.
Would your ordinary Free Trader, for example, own a robot to help him with his business. If so, how intelligent would this robot be? Is it just a little better than a forklift, or does it interact with the characters regularly, and add to the story, like C-3PO or R2-D2. Is it stuck in the cargo hold all the time because it has wheels and can't climb ladders through the hatches, or are they typically anthropomorphic enough to overcome this kind of obstacle? What would robots be like in ordinary life for someone in Milieu 0? Are they common, or unusual? And is it legal for this ordinary Citizen of the Imperium to weaponize his robot?
And additionally, there's the question of warbots in the Milieu 0 setting.
One of the first replies was (essentially)... of course they would use warbots. However, the last two pages of replies have been mostly commentary about why intelligent weapons are a really bad idea.
So... which is it? What would Cleon do? Does the newly formed Third Imperium have platoons of warbots who autonomously decide when its time to pull a trigger? Or is this decision better left to sophonts?
In real life, a cruise missile doesn't decide when to launch itself, or choose its target. But if the technology existed, should it? ICBMs don't launch themselves. Human beings make these decisions. But there's been plenty of fiction exploring the idea of leaving these decisions to computers.
Does the nascent Imperium send out patrols of warbots into a hot zone who autonomously make tactical decisions about how to prosecute a battle?
All this discussion is very interesting! Forgive me, however, for trying to narrow the focus, just a bit.
In literature and media, robots have been a staple of science-fiction for over a hundred years. Because of this, I'm somewhat curious how all you Referees out there use robots in the Milieu 0 setting, specifically. I know what the rules say. That's not the question.
I believe that the Milieu 0 setting is somewhat unique than the traditional 1107 setting. First of all, there's the difference in Tech Level... Tech-12 (max,) in lieu of Tech-15. And then there's that whole business with the Shudusham Concords mentioned previously.
Would your ordinary Free Trader, for example, own a robot to help him with his business. If so, how intelligent would this robot be? Is it just a little better than a forklift, or does it interact with the characters regularly, and add to the story, like C-3PO or R2-D2. Is it stuck in the cargo hold all the time because it has wheels and can't climb ladders through the hatches, or are they typically anthropomorphic enough to overcome this kind of obstacle? What would robots be like in ordinary life for someone in Milieu 0? Are they common, or unusual? And is it legal for this ordinary Citizen of the Imperium to weaponize his robot?
And additionally, there's the question of warbots in the Milieu 0 setting.
One of the first replies was (essentially)... of course they would use warbots. However, the last two pages of replies have been mostly commentary about why intelligent weapons are a really bad idea.
So... which is it? What would Cleon do? Does the newly formed Third Imperium have platoons of warbots who autonomously decide when its time to pull a trigger? Or is this decision better left to sophonts?
In real life, a cruise missile doesn't decide when to launch itself, or choose its target. But if the technology existed, should it? ICBMs don't launch themselves. Human beings make these decisions. But there's been plenty of fiction exploring the idea of leaving these decisions to computers.
Does the nascent Imperium send out patrols of warbots into a hot zone who autonomously make tactical decisions about how to prosecute a battle?
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Proneutron
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IRL some drone aircraft CARRYING the missile have the tech to decide when to fire. But that isn't currently how they are USED.
