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Roger Sanger's (DGP's) Copyright Policies

GypsyComet said:
She opened the store in '92, by the way, and is still there.
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Er, no offense John, but how do you know? I can't even remember where the store was or what it was called ... somewhere around the Japan Center.

She was a cheap skate too. A nickel for every issue of TAS I "sold her", and a quarter for the other supplements. She was also lacking in interpersonal skills...and smelled. I figured she gone out of business years ago. I guess not.
 
For those who must know, I do consider Rodge a personal friend, and the guy who really got me started in Traveller professionally.

I was part of his effort (and near the end the main part) to get a DGP license during the T4 era. That saga really is why Rodge feels the way he does about Traveller.

It doesn't help that some fan tried to sue him during that period, and at a point, that fan's actions helped kill the DGP licensing attempt. Of course, while I was dealing with Marc, Rodge was dealing with Courtney Solomon and Ken Whitman.

There are those who would disagree with my account; somehow, I came out of it with my friendships with Marc and Rodge intact.

Working on my next "annual" attempt. Kickstarter is definitely in my arsenal for this next round.
 
I talked with Roger on the phone once (late 90s) ... before the current logjam. Seemed like a nice guy. And if a kickstarter is what's needed; count me in.
 
Well, what's probably needed there is for other Traveller kickstarters to be successful...

So support Spinward Traveller, Liftoff, and some other items that are coming down the pike.

And if the DGP logjam breaks, trust me, I'll be shouting it here first.
 
I started this thread because I was interested in knowing from people "in the know" if the material was lost forever, being written out, etc. The intent wasn't to trash Roger Sanger, or "some fat lady" in San Francisco.

DonM, whether he spells Roger with a "d" or without, seems to be more knowledgeable than most, other than maybe tjoneslo or robject. The bit about the legality from aramis was helpful aramis, and he had the decency o defer to DonM, whom he knew had more knowledge.

Why "we" are discussing it, I don't know. Why I am is a real desire to attempt to find out if the material is ever coming back or is gone forever. Whether or not this was answered in another thread, I don't know. My near blindness makes reading through hundreds of posts, most irrelevant to my question, nearly impossible.

Thank all of you who have shed some light on this. It appears DonM is working on this "annually"? So, I'll wait and see what transpires.

It will be interesting to see what Roger wants, but I will assume the future kickstarter will, at least in part, answer that question. I'm glad to hear there is the possibility of one starting up, and that there is already interest. Thanks Hemdian, I'll be joining you in that particular effort.

Thank you DonM for weighing in and offering to keep us informed.
 
Blue Ghost said:
Well, you know what? I begrudgingly apologize for what I said. But after all the BS I've been through over the last ten years, consider it a kindness.

I don't know who the woman was in SF. (Edited at Blue Ghost's request) All I know is I got LITERALLY pennies on the dollar for the stuff I had bought so I could play Traveller with my friends, and were it not for the fact that I needed to keep working on films, and had investigations going on relating to a death in the family, I might have protested and said some nasty things and taken my kit home....which I probably should have done in retrospect, and told her where to step off with her offer.

Roger? Anyone who holds out for a cheque with lots of zeros is not altruistic in my not so humble opinion. I don't know the man, I'm not in the loop (I don't want to be either), I've never shaken his hand, spoken with him, exchanged emails, ... exchanged negative vibes...nothing.

What I do know is that there's more than just a log jam regarding this the long lost and much adored material from DGP. Hell, the stuff is such a hot topic I can't even give a compliment to Dietrick without hot words regarding the material, rules and his art.

So for all I care you all can tie a helium balloon around the original prints, let it rise in the air, and serve as target practice for some Air National Guard pilots firing sidewinders loaded with napalm.

To heck with it. Make new stuff. Call it "Super-Spectacular TRAVELLER Fifth Edition Supp", and spend gobs of cash on some top draftsman and artists, and let the chips fall where they may.
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Hey, wasn't trying to insult you either. Just trying to get it back on topic and explain to everyone why I brought it up "again". Going blind sucks.

The vision you presented with the national guard was a most welcome comic relief.

Best wishes.
 
Blue Ghost said:
Er, no offense John, but how do you know? I can't even remember where the store was or what it was called ... somewhere around the Japan Center.

She was a cheap skate too. A nickel for every issue of TAS I "sold her", and a quarter for the other supplements. She was also lacking in interpersonal skills...and smelled. I figured she gone out of business years ago. I guess not.
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May be a different person then. Gator Games in San Mateo is run by someone who meets your original description, but not the add-ons.
 
Ah, no, the lady at Gator Games is pretty cool (she's in San Mateo). She's on top of the business, and has withstood some pretty nasty competition. She does buy used game stuff, but offers a fair price--although I haven't been to her store in years (no real need nor desire to).
 
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All things said, looking at prices for some DGP materials, Grand Survey seems to be really in demand. Was this a short press run item ?
 
Patron Zero said:
All things said, looking at prices for some DGP materials, Grand Survey seems to be really in demand. Was this a short press run item ?
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No, it's just that people want it slightly more than grand census. I wish I'd bought it when I had the chance.
 
Darn! I found both grand survey and grand census by accident at a fellow gamer's ex-wife's yard sale...both beat to death but readable...had no idea they were so desired!
 
Once upon a time I had them both, and they were very good. Not worth what they charge these days, though.
 
Baron said:
Once upon a time I had them both, and they were very good. Not worth what they charge these days, though.
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Once upon a time I had them as well, but alas, when we moved the gremlins ate one box of games, An I too won't pay what they ask for them these days!
 
Wasn't "Grand Survey" supplanted by "The World Builder's Book"? Keep in mind that I never saw nor cracked Grand Survey, but based on the blurbs I reading here and there, it seems like it's another "Book 6; Scouts" book.
 
World Builder's Handbook combined both Grand Census and Grand Survey, which is why I was willing to give Aramis my Grand Census, until I realized I had it backward and it is Grand Survey he wants, which I don't have.

Unfortunately all of the above are DGP books tied up by Mr. Sanger.

(The one DGP book that I really want but don't have is Starship Operators' Manual, but the prices are ridiculous!)
 
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