mike wightman
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Two points:Originally posted by Sigg Oddra:
So a population of 1-9 people can maintain a manufacturing TL of 7-9?
No, there are seven pairs of worlds with the same name: Kinorb (2202 and 2512), Aramis (2540 and 3110), Mirriam (0333 and 1315), Margesi (1020 and 3212), Heroni (2521 and 3017), Inthe (2234 and 2410), and Natoko (2620 and 3209).Originally posted by Andy Fralix:
And then there are the un-corrected errors in the origional listing that were intentionally left after being discovered. I.E. 3 pairs of worlds with the same name, each having a major and a minor world and 1 even having the wrong alliance listed.
That would make sense if the original data deserved to be considered correct without further ado. But they don't. Leaving aside the question of impossible and extremely improbable UWPs, a random set of 400 unrelated UWPs is not a reasonable finished data set, and wouldn't be even if each individual UWP was perfectly unexceptional in itself, because 400 worlds with a thousand and more years of shared history are not unrelated. An UWP can be more or less probable simply by virtue of the UWPs of surrounding worlds, and even more so based on the history of the area.Originally posted by Sigg Oddra:
If all the writers of the MT material, and later the Regency sourcebook, just copied what they thought was correct data then it make sense to correct these mistakes.
Oh, I sure hope not! I have a number of instances that I would like to draw to Marc's attention. Unfortunately I have tyechnical difficulties in up and downloading files at the moment, so I've been putting it off (It's not that I can't do it, it's just difficult and tedious).Originally posted by robject:
Mike West's points are valid, so most of the Marches will be preserved as-is. But Marc's already allowed changes and bugfixes, so send your favorites.
It may be too late, but better late than never.
Yes, I remember. But those were those that pertained to the 47 systems within jump-6 of Regina. That is the area that I've lavished the most attention to, but I have some material from elsewhere in the Marches too. Also, it only concerned discrepancies that applied to the Classic Era. If Marc is working on 1065 data, there are other differences (For example, Paya, which had 12 million inhabitants before that meteor strike).Originally posted by robject:
By the way, Hans, way-back-when (when was that? months ago? feels like decades) I did submit a bevy of your suggestions, many of which Marc accepted.
I think I agree with everything you've said here. It makes a lot of sense to look at the influences worlds will have on each other when designing sectors, rather than just trying to explain the results of random chance.Originally posted by rancke:
That would make sense if the original data deserved to be considered correct without further ado. But they don't. Leaving aside the question of impossible and extremely improbable UWPs, a random set of 400 unrelated UWPs is not a reasonable finished data set, and wouldn't be even if each individual UWP was perfectly unexceptional in itself, because 400 worlds with a thousand and more years of shared history are not unrelated. An UWP can be more or less probable simply by virtue of the UWPs of surrounding worlds, and even more so based on the history of the area.
Marc dislikes the idea of changing UWPs to fit a concept. After long consideration I've come to the conclusion that not changing some UWPs to fit the concept that the populations of these worlds are the result of centuries of non-random social evolution is a big mistake.
However, be that as it may, Marc has his opinion, and in this matter Marc's opinion is the one that counts. But that makes it even more important (IMO) to take every opportunity to finetune the UWPs that Marc is willing to consider changing. So whenever two different canonical data sets disagree, I look on it as an opportunity. Instead of just accepting one set as 'more canonical' than the other, I prefer to examine the world and its history and surrounding worlds, and then chose the version that makes for the best background universe.
Hans