Technology Level Chronology
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Not unless the Vilani did....
Fusion Plus is first brought up in T4 as the one tactic in Cleon's creation of the Third Imperium
T4 supplements (such as Emperor's Arsenal) also allude to the fact that the Terrans/RoM did NOT have Fusion Plus.
Then nope on the Vilani also. Thank you whulorigan.
Now about uplifted Apes, Dolphins Orcas and the Sauron Supermen
Now about uplifted Apes, Dolphins Orcas and the Sauron Supermen
mike wightman
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No, MWM has made it clear that in the 'modern' era the Syleans were the first to invent fusion+.
mike wightman
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That would be the Terran independent development of the jump drive then.
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It was certainly described as far back as the CT era that the Terrans won against the Vilani by developing Jump-3 tech and outmanouevring them. Given that the Vilani wars lasted for the better part of a century and the propensity of war to drive R&D spend it's not too hard to envisage a big R&D spend pushing tech along fairly quickly.
mike wightman
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If you read the rather excellent GT ISW book during luls in the wars the Terrans were able to trade with the Vilani and Vegans, they sent people to study off world and they had quite a lot battlefield salvage to reverse engineer.
They also conducted industrial and state espionage and sent agents deep into Imperial territory.
I think it makes an excellent series of adventure for Terran 'explorers' to find out about Vilani forbidden technology archives (as described in Marc's novel) and do everything they could to get at those secrets.
From them they gain the insight necessary for the development of AI assistants (MT canon), jump 3, meson guns and who knows what else TL12 brings with it.
I have always seen TL12 as the watershed TL between the near future TLs of 8-11 and the really advanced stuff (nuclear dampers, meson screens, fusion guns, superdense armour).
The OTU has always been about the secrets behind the scenes...
They also conducted industrial and state espionage and sent agents deep into Imperial territory.
I think it makes an excellent series of adventure for Terran 'explorers' to find out about Vilani forbidden technology archives (as described in Marc's novel) and do everything they could to get at those secrets.
From them they gain the insight necessary for the development of AI assistants (MT canon), jump 3, meson guns and who knows what else TL12 brings with it.
I have always seen TL12 as the watershed TL between the near future TLs of 8-11 and the really advanced stuff (nuclear dampers, meson screens, fusion guns, superdense armour).
The OTU has always been about the secrets behind the scenes...
Dates corresponded with TL's...
We have many dates (years) that correspond with Tl's for various polities within the OTU...
*** Has anyone every made technological timelines for the Third Imperium? Or other polities? ***
Shalom,
Maksim-Smelchak.
We have many dates (years) that correspond with Tl's for various polities within the OTU...
*** Has anyone every made technological timelines for the Third Imperium? Or other polities? ***
Shalom,
Maksim-Smelchak.
Xerxeskingofking
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the third imperium TL timeline is post #3 of this thread, most other nations, we have only a few key data points that give us minimum tech levels for that time.
for example, the Aslan, according to canon, first spanned the Great Rift in -1044 (middle of the Long Night). the route is J-5, but I refuse to believe that the Alsan had TL 14 at that time. I would say they were TL12 (J3) and used a few deep space fuel stops to bridge the 2 gaps that were 5-parsecs.
for example, the Aslan, according to canon, first spanned the Great Rift in -1044 (middle of the Long Night). the route is J-5, but I refuse to believe that the Alsan had TL 14 at that time. I would say they were TL12 (J3) and used a few deep space fuel stops to bridge the 2 gaps that were 5-parsecs.
One can try if you dig
From Alien Module 4: Darrians
Darrians
TL 1 -10000 "By -10,000, compasses, writing, printing, elementary arch and dome construction and mathematics were available to all. (pg 53)
TL 3 -1511 The arrival of the Terrans (pg 53)
TL 9 -1395 Darrian Manufactures Jump 1 scouts (pg 54)
TL 12 -1370 Darrian Manufactures Jump 3 couriers (pg 54)
TL 14 -1111 Stated as being this TL, 400 years since the coming of the Terrans (pg 55)
TL 16 -925 The Maghiz "In a fraction of a second a TL16 society was reduced to the Stone Age" (pg 56)
And who is there The Snowflakes...
mike wightman
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Which is why the space elves - sorry - Darrians achieved the Terran TL of 12 so quickly... and the Itzin fleet that contacts the Darrians gains access to the secrets left by the Ancients...
notice that the Itzin fleet initially made its way to Vland (to raid archives perhaps) and selected the Darrians - how did they know they were there (along with the other minor human races in the Spinward Marches)?
There is more to that story than we are being told too.
Read between the lines and ask questions of the 'historical facts'.
notice that the Itzin fleet initially made its way to Vland (to raid archives perhaps) and selected the Darrians - how did they know they were there (along with the other minor human races in the Spinward Marches)?
There is more to that story than we are being told too.
Read between the lines and ask questions of the 'historical facts'.
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Terrans/Solomani
From T5.09 unless otherwise noted
1 -8021 Bronze Age
2 -3021 Age Of Sail
3 -2821 Industrial Revolution
4 -2621 Mechanization
5 -2591
6 -2571 Nuclear Age
7 -2546
8 -2521
9 -2471
10 -2421
11 -2393 (GT-IW)
12 -2286 (GT-IW)
13 Around 550 or 588 (T5.09 as part of the 3rd Imperium)
14 1002 (Invasion Earth Game)
For AD dating I simply did IY0=4521AD again
From T5.09 unless otherwise noted
1 -8021 Bronze Age
2 -3021 Age Of Sail
3 -2821 Industrial Revolution
4 -2621 Mechanization
5 -2591
6 -2571 Nuclear Age
7 -2546
8 -2521
9 -2471
10 -2421
11 -2393 (GT-IW)
12 -2286 (GT-IW)
13 Around 550 or 588 (T5.09 as part of the 3rd Imperium)
14 1002 (Invasion Earth Game)
For AD dating I simply did IY0=4521AD again
Quite easily possible and easily explained without looking for existential threats, Grandfather, and so on.
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The T5.09 rules have the lifespan of species rules (pages 510-513) where tech level progression of a species can vary simply due the internal workings of the species. Is there a problem with that?
The Vilani went from TL1 to TL6 in 1000 years (Vilani and Vargr pg 17). Terrans took ~5500 years. So, yes Terrans were lazy, at one point in time.
However, Vilani took over 200 years to get to TL 8 and NAFAL (again pg 17), and it has took Terrans around 50 years to get TL 8 (in the real world we don't have NAFAL yet, but in the OTU?). And those were the adventuresome, pre-Consolidation Vilani.
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The T5.09 rules have the lifespan of species rules (pages 510-513) where tech level progression of a species can vary simply due the internal workings of the species. Is there a problem with that?
The Vilani went from TL1 to TL6 in 1000 years (Vilani and Vargr pg 17). Terrans took ~5500 years. So, yes Terrans were lazy, at one point in time.
However, Vilani took over 200 years to get to TL 8 and NAFAL (again pg 17), and it has took Terrans around 50 years to get TL 8 (in the real world we don't have NAFAL yet, but in the OTU?). And those were the adventuresome, pre-Consolidation Vilani.
Vilani/First Imperium
TL 1 -11011 (Vilani & Vargr pg 17)
TL 6 -10011 (Vilani & Vargr pg 17)
TL 8 -9800 NAFAL (Vilani & Vargr pg 17)
TL 9 -9235 Jump 1 developed (Vilani & Vargr pg 17)
TL 11 -5420 (pg 18) or -5430 (pg 19) Jump-2 developed
TL 1 -11011 (Vilani & Vargr pg 17)
TL 6 -10011 (Vilani & Vargr pg 17)
TL 8 -9800 NAFAL (Vilani & Vargr pg 17)
TL 9 -9235 Jump 1 developed (Vilani & Vargr pg 17)
TL 11 -5420 (pg 18) or -5430 (pg 19) Jump-2 developed
If I recall correctly, there was a Tech Timeline buried in the DGP's article on the History of the Imperium in the Digest. Mostly just a note of what dates the 3rd Imperium hit the various tech levels, nothing super in depth, more of an aside to the other historical information.
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