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The French Empire

I think the Catholic Church is nothing to sneeze at...

Isn't one of the Talleyrand class ships named the Cardinal Richelieu? [rummages] Ah, there it is, p7 of Invasion. It's just the Richelieu, but there it is.

Perhaps the name of a Cardinal on one of France's battleships is meant as a reminder that the Church still has a role to play?
 
Isn't one of the Talleyrand class ships named the Cardinal Richelieu? [rummages] Ah, there it is, p7 of Invasion. It's just the Richelieu, but there it is.

Perhaps the name of a Cardinal on one of France's battleships is meant as a reminder that the Church still has a role to play?

The Church might be a powerful body--and a transnational one at that--but Islamic organizations are going to be hugely influential as well. For that matter, the same may be true of Judaism: After the Twilight War's depopulation of the United States and the former Soviet Union, France is going to have the world's largest Jewish population outside of the Confederation of Palestine.
 
Richelieu is a fairly common French heavy warship name. I think it is more tradition in the naming than any indicator of the influence of the catholic church.
 
After all, His Emminence WAS the Prime Minister, and quite a powerful nobleman in his own right (and hence a viable target for mockery as an enemy of the crown in Dumas' works).

No surprise he's got ships named after him!
 
As I see it, the Vatican and France were natural allies in rebuilding just after the Twilight war. In a crisis many people cling to their faith, and the catholic church has a pretty resilient international organisation. In many places the church was the only thing shared between feuding baronies, and could act as a diplomatic and relief force. France was heavily catholic (~88%) and it was natural for the Church to tag along worldwide, reconnecting with the local churches and sometimes helping pave the way. While there were some splinters the demands of apostolic succession can easily bring them back into the fold.

While there are many French muslims and jews, their churches do not have the same kind of international organisation and they were only locally significant for the rebuilding. Similarly for the protestant churches, which at most became state churches in many countries - they had a hard time uniting people long-range.
 
While there are many French muslims and jews, their churches do not have the same kind of international organisation and they were only locally significant for the rebuilding. Similarly for the protestant churches, which at most became state churches in many countries - they had a hard time uniting people long-range.

I don't know about this - based on current news events over the past decade from France and the problems of Muslims been giving that country. I think that the Twilight War would actually give the French muslims their chance to try and take over that country. Now, based on 2300 history - any such uprising failed, but I would think there would still be a strong undercurrent of resentment at that failure.

Anyway, just my two cents worth.
 
Or such a calamity might provide the required impetus for integration. Or provide nationalistic France with an opportunity to 'solve' the issue once and for all.
 
Trying to take over a country that just is defending its integrity in WW III, with emergency laws, citizens pulling together and having its military forces on full alert is bound to end up exceedingly badly (unless it is done by military insiders). Imagine trying to start a rebellion in the US during WW II.

The Muslim minority in France was probably somewhat analogous to blacks in the US: bitter and ghettoised, but with little serious interest in trying to take over society compared to a desire to be accommodated and accepted. In fact, the Twilight war might actually have integrated them much more with France: a shared challenge and as France expanded its reach many French Muslims could actually help their family, friends and compatriots.
 
Trying to take over a country that just is defending its integrity in WW III, with emergency laws, citizens pulling together and having its military forces on full alert is bound to end up exceedingly badly (unless it is done by military insiders). Imagine trying to start a rebellion in the US during WW II.

Protestants in 16th and 17th century met a little better fate at the hands of the Bourbons.

Besides, the situation with French Muslims is different on two grounds.

1. I took a look at the demographics and the long and the short of it is that Muslims in France are about as Muslims as French de souche are Christian and are increasingly behaving like their non-Muslim counterparts in terms of family structure and fertility rate. One might as well predict a takeover of the United States by Hispanics in 23xx (well, there was, but only of part of the United States and that because most of the rest of North America had been depopulated).

2. Another religious minority that once posed a threat to the integrity of the French state were the Hugeunots. Look at what happened to them. The main difference is that whereas the Huguenots were disproportionately literate and highly-skilled urban tradespeople, French Muslims tend to rank low on the totem pole.

The Muslim minority in France was probably somewhat analogous to blacks in the US: bitter and ghettoised, but with little serious interest in trying to take over society compared to a desire to be accommodated and accepted. In fact, the Twilight war might actually have integrated them much more with France: a shared challenge and as France expanded its reach many French Muslims could actually help their family, friends and compatriots.

In a world where the Cold War continued until the catastrophes of the mid-1990s, I'm not sure that Islamic terrorism or Islamism would really have taken off as a widely-perceived threat. The main ideological conflict would have been between the West and Communism. The main terrorist movements might have been left-wing ones, descendants of the Baader-Meinhof gang or Action Directe or the Red Brigades. In this background, practising Muslims might well have been seen as compatriots, especially in the context of an international crisis worsened drastically by the Soviet Union.

By 2320, France includes a very large Muslim population, in Algeria and elsewhere. The story of the Franco-Algerian association has to be an interesting one, IMO.
 
One interesting angle of modern France may be communautarisme, the deliberate support of cultural enclaves to preserve regional languages and customs. These enclaves try to preserve old and authentic small communities and their values. While obvious enclaves may be small Provencal farming villages etc, some might as well be oldfashioned postindustrial suburbs where people live in the early 2100's. The key is the "terroir" or "sense of place", the environmental context and how people fit in with it. Such communities are prized as out-of-the way places free of modern stresses and fashions, and very hard to join. On the other hand, being part of such a community gives plenty of social cred.

There might also have been a shift in the meanings of "la France profonde" ("Deep France", the "heartland") and "le désert français" ("the French desert") from denoting the provincial towns that were profoundly French but also lacked cultural sophistication to denote other parts of the Empire. "la France profonde" now includes parts of the empire in Africa and on Tirane, while the desert are less successful colonies where people are undoubtedly French but unsophisticated.

Another aspect of 2320 France (and most developed nations) is the beanpole families. If our trends in single parenting continue, a sizeable number of children grow up with just their mother or father. People live for a long time and have few children, resulting in that there are many great-grandparents around who play an active role in the rearing of the single child. PCs from the Core will be watched by overprotective grandparents.
 
Or the proper term for the French Empire may be, "Firanji Caliphate." You know, for that, "Toto we're not in Kansas," thing.
 
My personal opinion of Islam during the early 21st century (now) is its going through its "violent growing pains" just like Judaism and Christianity did. By 2300, I've always imagined it will have settled down quite a bit - indeed Islam of 2300 would be pretty different from the Islam of today.

In fact, in my 2300 world, Ruffin is ostensibly Islamic, Sunni in fact. But he's as Islamic as most Christians are "Christian" in a secular 21st century society - basically not at all. He drinks alcohol, could care less if the food he eats is Halal or not, he observes Rammadan only if some official function doesn't "force" him to eat ("the undersecretary of colonial solar power wants to go to lunch...sigh...I suppose I'll have the foie gras wrapped in pork belly"), his hadiths are Imperial French Law, and is seen in Church (his wife is an observing Catholic - certainly not devout, but observing) more often than a Mosque. He often jokes he is an "observing Muslim" - that is he likes to watch people file into prayer on the vids.

On the other hand, Ruffin is very tolerant of religion and encourages faith for those who desire to hold it, and has created a bunch of new laws to protect people who desire to have their kids schooled in religious schools and so on - after all, religion is one of the opiates of the people and if it keeps them happy and isn't particularly destructive, he'll support it.
 
Leaving aside the barely concealed American snippyness about France's actions pre-Iraqi invasion in the earlier posts; what I as a citizen of 2320AD want to know about the French Empire is "The Big Guy has been in power for over a quarter of a century now, he has got to be thinking about retiring...what comes next?!"
 
Yes, how do they handle imperial succession?

A simple answer might be that it is done by an election: the emperor is actually just president for life with a cool title. That still makes it possible for Ruffin to groom a suitable successor and convince everyone this is the right man or woman for the job. There would still be enough of a grand spectacle and apparent democratic process to keep everybody happy.

I have a hard time imagine a hereditary emperorship, France is a bit too meritocratic for it.

Personally I think Ruffin plans to hold on for much longer. Anagathics are clearly getting somewhere, and if they ever get the brainscans not to crash every Thursday he could be emperor for a very, very long time.
 
That is a good question. It definitely would not be via direct election from the people. I'm sure at the moment in 2320 people in France think of Ruffin as a "glorified president-for-life" and it might just be temporary - the office may not even outlive Ruffin himself. On the other hand, Ruffin is massaging the people of France to come to the conclusion that an Emperor is necessary and that a direct election of an Emperor would be a low and vulgar thing, below the "evolved" French people and that transitions for the Emperor, as the head of the French nation should be as smooth, placid, and inevitable as France itself.

Under my vision of the "Ruffin Plan" for France, a new Emperor would be elected by the Senate. Of course, the way the government would work, the "voting" would basically be purely ceremonial - the candidate for the next Emperor would already be known - probably put forward by the current Emperor (if in good standing). The "votes" already tallied in various clandestine meetings, "understandings", and so on before they were ever officially cast and the heir apparent would be set so there would be no interregnum needing election should the current Emperor suddenly die. The heir-and-current system would also ensure the next Emperor could learn of the current Emperor's long range plans, plots, and so on and understand the reasoning, both logical and emotional behind them.

And the Emperor were not in good standing? Well, that sadly won't happen for a while, but you could have all sorts of fun with various Imperial "persuaders" (lobbyists) attempting to convince opposition of the Emperor's choice while trying to find out why they're in opposition. Meanwhile, PC-types, who'd be more like "left hands of the Emperor" would be on the streets, finding out what the true and ulterior motives of these types are. Assassination, covert battles and so on are not out of the question, provided it's kept reasonably quiet.
 
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That is a good question. It definitely would not be via direct election from the people. I'm sure at the moment in 2320 people in France think of Ruffin as a "glorified president-for-life" and it might just be temporary - the office may not even outlive Ruffin himself. On the other hand, Ruffin is massaging the people of France to come to the conclusion that an Emperor is necessary and that a direct election of an Emperor would be a low and vulgar thing, below the "evolved" French people and that transitions for the Emperor, as the head of the French nation should be as smooth, placid, and inevitable as France itself.

This reminds me faintly of the Roman system of succession.
 
This kind of succession makes it very important to attend the right functions in Versailles and keep oneself useful for the Emperor.

I think a West Wing Versailles campaign could be quite fascinating. "Does Your Imperial Majesty have any particular views on how we should spin that governor Delacroix 'accidentally slept with a callgirl'? And will it affect his placement at the grand table? The protocol software is uncertain."
 
After having recently visited Paris, one aspect of today's France could perhaps be carried over to the third French empire of 2320 AD.

Namely that everything, such as buildings, railroads, airports, roads, consumer products can be cathegorized as either bland, completely worn-down and shabby or as brand new, super-slick and ultra-tech. I was struck of the lack of compromise between the two. It is either decrepit or futuristic.
 
Really, I was more interested in the machinations behind the official procedure for selecting a new emperor than the actual procedure it’s self.

In 2320 Ruffin is 78 years old. Even with advanced medical technology making 80 the new 60 it is still old enough to die, Remember how a few years ago everybody speculated and gossiped that Osama bin Laden was dying of liver cancer or in the 1990s when Boris Yeltsin disappeared for a few weeks and the Kremlin announced his illness using a colloquialism that could be interpreted as minor OR major heart problems? In 2320 legions of people have got to be hanging on Ruffin’s every cough and grey hair. Since he could die at any moment the jockeying for position among the contenders has got to be continuous but somewhat low key. As Ruffin might live for a long time yet blackmail, bribery and character assassination would be the order of the day. Limitless adventure possibilities for adventures with a powerful patron. …and just what is up with this “has not changed a day” business about Ruffin?

And what if Ruffin’s rule really is failing? Everyone is going to go crazy with who his replacement will be, even more adventure possiblities. May I suggest someone who from a metagaming perspective needs to be like what I have read of King Stephen I of England, arrogant enough to think he can do the job, charismatic in his own right, completely inept politically stumbling from one political blunder to the next but to the agony of the nation is a military genius so he survives one exciting battle after another. Someone who will be the darling of every French chauvinist/evil DSGE agent/more evil Tricolor agent. Someone who at the very mention of the name will send a chill down the spine of every non-Francophile and a good number of Republic yearning Frenchmen. …Imagine starting a campaign with describing a scene where the Seneschal comes to the Versailles gate and addresses the assembled media saying “L’empereur est mort! Vive l’empereur, vive l’empereur Rochmont!”
 
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