[CT Errata] TTB ship designs Review

[aramis]

What follows is a list of every ship in TTB, from the p64-66 entries.

Double check my math.
I'll do crew, etc tmw.

This is Specific to The Traveller Book. Starter, CT77, and CT81 are only to be used for making correction suggestions. Those designs should be done in separate threads. Thank-you.

 

[aramis]

Type S
DTd MTd _MCr._ Item
_15 _85 __2.__ 100 Td Std Hull
_10 __0 _10.__ JD A J2
__1 __0 __4.__ MD A 2G
__4 __0 __8.__ PP A
__0 _20 __0.__ Fuel: 2x10 PP
__0 _20 __0.__ Fuel: 1J2 100*20% =20
__0 _20 __0.5_ Bridge
__0 __1 __4.__ Model 1/bis
__0 _16 __2.__ 4 SR
__0 __1 __0.1_ HP & FC
__0 __0 __0.5_ Double Turret (empty)
__0 __4 __0.6_ Air/Raft
__0 __3 __0.__ Cargo 3T
__0 __0 __1.__ Streamlined
=== === ====== =====================
_15 _85 _32.7_ subtotal
__0 __0 _-3.27 Std Discount
=== === ====== =====================
_15 _85 _28.43 Total (Book says MCr29.43)
__0 __0 __0.__ Remainder

Crew: Pilot, Optional Gunner.

 

[aramis]

Type A
DTd MTd _MCr._ Item
_15 185 __8.__ 200 Td Std Hull
_10 __0 _10.__ JD A J1
__1 __0 __4.__ MD A 1G
__4 __0 __8.__ PP A P1
__0 _10 __0.__ Fuel: 1x10=10 PP
__0 _20 __0.__ Fuel: 1J1 200*10% =20
__0 _20 __1.__ Bridge
__0 __1 __2.__ Model 1
__0 _40 __5.__ 10 SR
__0 _10 __1.__ 20 LB
__0 __2 __0.2_ 2xHP & 2xFC
__0 _82 __0.__ Cargo 82T
__0 __0 __2.__ Streamlined
=== === ====== =====================
_15 185 _41.2_ subtotal
__0 __0 _-4.12 Std Discount
=== === ====== =====================
_15 185 _37.08 Total (book says MCr37.08)


Crew: Pilot, Engineer, Steward, Medic. 2x Gunner optional. (matches book)

Book correct.

 

[aramis]

Type R
DTd MTd._ _MCr_._ Item
_50 350._ _16.___ 400 Td Std Hull
_20 __0._ _30.___ JD C J1
__5 __0._ _12.___ MD C 1G
_10 __0._ _24.___ PP C P1
__0 _10._ __0.___ Fuel: 1x10 PP
__0 _40._ __0.___ Fuel: 1J1 400*10% =40
__0 _20._ __2.___ Bridge
__0 __1._ __2.___ Model 1
__0 _52._ __6.5__ 13 SR
__0 __4.5 __0.45_ 9x LB
__0 __2._ __0.2__ 2xHP & 2xFC
__0 _20._ _14.___ 20T Launch
__0 200._ __0.___ Cargo 200T
__0 __0._ __4.___ Streamlined
=== ===== ======= =====================
_35 349.5 111.15_ subtotal
__0 __0._ -11.115 Std Discount
=== ===== ======= =====================
_35 349.5 100.035 Total (Bk says MCr101.03)
_15 __0.5 ___.___ unused

Crew: Pilot, Navigator, Engineer, Steward, Medic. Two gunners optional. Crew Matches book.

Book price off by MCr1

 

[aramis]

Type M Subsidized Liner (1983 TTB version)
Drvs Main Price Item
__85 _515 _48.__ 600Td Std Hull
__50 ___0 _90.__ JD J
___5 ___0 _12.__ MD C
__28 ___0 _72.__ PP J
___0 __20 __3.__ Bridge
___0 _180 __0.__ JFuel
___0 __30 __0.__ PP Fuel
___0 ___3 __0.3_ 3 Hard Points + Fire Control
___0 ___3 _18.__ Model 3 computer*
___0 __10 __1.__ 20 Low Berths
___0 _120 _15.__ 30 Staterooms
___0 __20 _14.__ Launch
___0 _129 __0.__ 129 Cargo tons
___0 ___0 __0.__ Unstreamlined
==== ==== ====== ====================
__83 _515 273.3_ total
___0 ___0 _27.33 Std Discount
==== ==== ====== ====================
___0 _515 245.97 total (Book says MCr236.97)
___2 ___0 __0.__ Remainder
* not in book; errata already noted on that.

Crew: Pilot, Navigator, 3x Engineer, Medic, 3 stewards. Up to 3 optional gunners. Crew matches book

 

[aramis]

Type Y
DTd MTd _MCr.__ Item
_15 185 __8.___ 200 Td Std Hull
_10 __0 _10.___ JD A J1
__1 __0 __4.___ MD A 1G
__4 __0 __8.___ PP A P1
__0 _10 __0.___ Fuel: 1x10=10 PP
__0 _40 __0.___ Fuel: 2J1 2*200*10% =40
__0 _20 __1.___ Bridge
__0 __1 __2.___ Model 1
__0 _56 __7.___ 14 SR
__0 __1 __0.1__ 1xHP & 1xFC
__0 __4 __0.6__ Air/Raft
__0 _30 _16.___ Ship's Boat
__0 _10 __0.03_ ATV
__0 _11 __0.___ Cargo 11T
__0 __0 __0.___ Unstreamlined
=== === ======= =====================
_15 183 _56.73_ subtotal
__0 __0 _-5.673 Std Discount
=== === ======= =====================
_15 183 _51.057 Total (book says MCr51.057)
__0 __2 ___.___ unused

Pilot, Engineer, Medic. Since the ship is non-commercial, no steward is required. 1 gunner optional. Book lists a required steward.

 

[aramis]

Type C
MTd _MCr.__ Item
800 _80.___ 800 Td Custom Hull
_65 120.___ JD M J3
_23 _48.___ MD M 3G
_37 _96.___ PP M P3
_30 __0.___ Fuel: 3x10=10 PP
240 __0.___ Fuel: 1J3 800*30% =240
_48 __0.___ Fuel Reserve for Small Craft (total 318)
_20 __4.___ Bridge
__5 _45.___ Model 5
100 _12.5__ 25 SR
__8 __0.8__ 8xHP & 8xFC
__0 __8.___ 8x Triple Turrets (empty)
100 _56.___ 2x Cutter
__0 __3.6__ in cutters: 2x ATV modules
_60 __3.0__ open Module, Fuel Module
__0 __0.06_ In ATV Modules: 2xATV
__4 __0.6__ Air/Raft
_80 __0.___ Cargo 80T
__0 __0.___ Unstreamlined
=== ======= =====================
820 476.96_ subtotal
__0 _47.696 Std Discount
=== ======= =====================
820 429.264 Total (book says MCr445.95)
_20 ___.___ Overage

Pilot, Navigator, 4x Engineer, medic, 8x gunner optional. This is a crew of 7+Gunners. No stewards are needed due to non-commercial service. Book adds a CO.

 

[aramis]

Type T
MTd._ _MCr_._ Item
400._ _40.__- 400 Td Custom Hull
_35._ _60.___ JD F J3
_15._ _32.___ MD H 4G
_25._ _64.___ PP H P4
_40._ __0.___ Fuel: 4x10 PP
120._ __0.___ Fuel: 1J3 400*30% =120
_20._ __2.___ Bridge
__3._ _18.___ Model 3
_48._ __6.___ 12 SR
__2._ __0.2__ 4x LB
__4._ __0.4__ 4xHP & 4xFC
__0._ __3.___ 2x3xLaser (Unspecified type, pulse used)
__0._ __4.5__ 2x3xMissle
__8._ __1.0__ G-Carrier
_30._ _16.___ 30T Ship's Boat
_50._ __0.___ Cargo 50T
__0._ __4.___ Streamlined
===== ======= =====================
398._ 251.1__ subtotal
__0._ -25.11_ Std Discount
===== ======= =====================
398._ 225.99 Total (Bk says MCr221.04)
__2._ ___.___ unused

Pilot, Navigator, 3x Engineer, Medic, 4 gunners. No stewards due to non commercial status. Total crew 10, 2 extra SR's. Notation that 8 troops can be carried if Gunners and Troops double occupancy. (Matches book)

Note that if beam lasers used, cost increases to 228.69 (as pre discount is 254.1)

 

[aramis]

Type L
DTd MTd._ _MCr_._ Item
_50 350._ _16.___ 400 Td Std Hull
_25 __0._ _40.___ JD D J2
__5 __0._ _12.___ MD C 1G
_19 __0._ _48.___ PP F P3
__0 _30._ __0.___ Fuel: 3x10 PP
__0 _80._ __0.___ Fuel: 1J2 400*10% =80
__0 _20._ __2.___ Bridge
__0 __2._ __9.___ Model 2
__0 _80._ _10.___ 20 SR
__0 __2._ __0.2__ 2xHP & 2xFC
__0 __8._ __1.2__ 2x Air/Raft
__0 _40._ _20.___ 40T Pinnace
__0 _23._ __0.___ Cargo 23T
__0 _85._ __0.___ Lab Space
__0 __0._ __0.___ Unstreamlined
=== ===== ======= =====================
_49 360._ 158.4__ subtotal
__0 __0._ -15.84_ Std Discount
=== ===== ======= =====================
_49 360._ 142.56_ Total (Bk says MCr158.98)
__1 _____ ___.___ unused (Drive Section waste noted)
___ _10._ ___.___ overage**
passenger error: Crew 5, 20SR, max 15 pass, 35 DO, instead of 20 and 35
**Fuel issue on p59 & p66: lists 90Td, for 1J1 (and PP5); drive is J2 and P3; 20 extra tons needed for P3; ship can function at 10 extra by operating at P2, fixing overage

Pilot, Navigator, Medic, 2 Engineers. Matches book.

 

[aramis]

Type K
_Td _MCr._ Item
200 _20.__ 200 Td Custom Hull
_15 _20.__ JD B J2
__1 __4.__ MD A 1G
__7 _16.__ PP B P2
_20 __0.__ Fuel: 2x10=10 PP
_40 __0.__ Fuel: 1J2 200*20% =40
_20 __1.__ Bridge
__1 __4.__ Model 1/bis
_44 __5.5_ 11 SR
__1 __0.1_ 1xHP & 1xFC
__0 __0.5_ Double Turret (empty)
__4 __0.6_ Air/Raft
_20 _14.__ 20T Launch
__6 __0.__ Cargo 6T
_14 __0.__ 2x7T capture tanks
__7 __0.__ trophy lounge
__0 __2.__ Streamlined
=== ====== =====================
200 _87.7_ subtotal
__0 _-8.77 Std Discount
=== ====== =====================
200 _78.93 Total (book says MCr81.08)
_0 ____._ overage

Pilot, Engineer, Medic, Optional Gunner. non commercial, no steward required. Book requires steward and navigator.

 

[DonM]

Type K
_Td _MCr._ Item
200 _20.__ 200 Td Custom Hull

The Type K Safari Ship in A10 - Safari Ship is somewhat different...

 

[aramis]

I don't have my A10 handy... I went and simply took the paragraphs and filled in the numbers. But it's definitely Errata-worthy.

I only used a custom hull if it said to, or if the standard hull couldn't hold the drives.

 

[DonM]

Ok, maybe it's not A10, but I know I was looking at a different safari ship design last night. Now I have to find it.

 

[aramis]

All the above are from TTB. I don't have to hand the other CT sources to comparison check...

And note that EVERY price from TTB is wrong.

 

[DonM]

I found the other source; I think the TTB design is actually errata for Supplement 4's version of the Safari Ship. Of course, that was originally designed under the 1977 Book 2 rules, so there would be big differences.

 

[DonM]

Type L
DTd MTd._ _MCr_._ Item
_50 350._ _16.___ 400 Td Std Hull
_25 __0._ _40.___ JD D J2
__5 __0._ _12.___ MD C 1G
_19 __0._ _48.___ PP F P3
__0 _30._ __0.___ Fuel: 3x10 PP
__0 _80._ __0.___ Fuel: 1J2 400*10% =80
__0 _20._ __2.___ Bridge
__0 __2._ __9.___ Model 2
__0 _80._ _10.___ 20 SR
__0 __2._ __0.2__ 2xHP & 2xFC
__0 __8._ __1.2__ 2x Air/Raft
__0 _40._ _20.___ 40T Pinnace
__0 _23._ __0.___ Cargo 23T
__0 _85._ __0.___ Lab Space
__0 __0._ __0.___ Unstreamlined
=== ===== ======= =====================
_49 360._ 158.4__ subtotal
__0 __0._ -15.84_ Std Discount
=== ===== ======= =====================
_49 360._ 142.56_ Total (Bk says MCr158.98)
__1 _____ ___.___ unused (Drive Section waste noted)
___ _10._ ___.___ overage**
passenger error: Crew 5, 20SR, max 15 pass, 35 DO, instead of 20 and 35
**Fuel issue on p59 & p66: lists 90Td, for 1J1 (and PP5); drive is J2 and P3; 20 extra tons needed for P3; ship can function at 10 extra by operating at P2, fixing overage

Pilot, Navigator, Medic, 2 Engineers. Matches book.

Perhaps redesign as P2?

 

[aramis]

Perhaps redesign as P2?

Makes it work, leaves 7 unused, instead of 1, in the drive compartment.

Type L
DTd MTd._ _MCr_._ Item
_50 350._ _16.___ 400 Td Std Hull
_25 __0._ _40.___ JD D J2
__5 __0._ _12.___ MD C 1G
_13 __0._ _32.___ PP D P2
__0 _20._ __0.___ Fuel: 2x10 PP
__0 _80._ __0.___ Fuel: 1J2 400*10% =80
__0 _20._ __2.___ Bridge
__0 __2._ __9.___ Model 2
__0 _80._ _10.___ 20 SR
__0 __2._ __0.2__ 2xHP & 2xFC
__0 __8._ __1.2__ 2x Air/Raft
__0 _40._ _20.___ 40T Pinnace
__0 _23._ __0.___ Cargo 23T
__0 _85._ __0.___ Lab Space
__0 __0._ __0.___ Unstreamlined
=== ===== ======= =====================
_43 350._ 142.4__ subtotal
__0 __0._ -14.24_ Std Discount
=== ===== ======= =====================
_43 360._ 128.16_ Total (Bk says MCr158.98)
__7 _____ ___.___ unused (Drive Section waste noted)
___ _10._ ___.___ overage**
passenger error: Crew 5, 20SR, max 15 pass, 35 DO, instead of 20 and 35
**Fuel issue on p59 & p66: lists 90Td, for 1J1 (and PP5); drive is J2 and P3; 20 extra tons needed for P3; ship can function at 10 extra by operating at P2, fixing overage

Pilot, Navigator, Medic, 2 Engineers. Matches book.

 

[DonM]

Makes it work, leaves 7 unused, instead of 1, in the drive compartment.

Is it smarter, perhaps, to build as a custom hull and keep it P3?

Does the P3 give it any advantages?

 

[aramis]

Not under Bk2/TTB, and the fuel required is what pushed it over limit.
As a custom hull with P3, it can support M3, or J3, but neither is installed, so...
The P2 drop is reasonable.
7 tons CAN install a spare P1 second PP... (MCr8), giving redundancy.

 

[DonM]

Not under Bk2/TTB, and the fuel required is what pushed it over limit.
As a custom hull with P3, it can support M3, or J3, but neither is installed, so...
The P2 drop is reasonable.
7 tons CAN install a spare P1 second PP... (MCr8), giving redundancy.

Ok, but no other B2 design has that, so I think we're best left with reducing the PP to P2 for this design.

Anyone disagree?