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Duct Tapers of the 24th and 1/2 Century

far-trader said:
Yep, somewhere, and also a product available on the shelves here on 20thC Earth for some years now too :)
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At higher tech levels the cans cost less and (effectively) contain more band-aid. So the ultra-tech version is not available here on 21st Century Earth. ;)


Hans
 
Rancke2 said:
At higher tech levels the cans cost less and (effectively) contain more band-aid. So the ultra-tech version is not available here on 21st Century Earth. ;)


Hans
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:)

Granted :)

Maybe a higher TL could also permit the spray version to include clotting factors and some kind of stress tension to pull the wound closed to make it more useful for serious injuries.

Oh, and a spray on cast might be handy too. That is not one I've heard of yet. I seem to recall a foamed cast product, and of course inflatable casts, but no "cast in a can" to my recollection. Wonder what google will find...

...hmmm, not much on a quick glance.
 
Here's a few you could include:

A tape that sticks to just about any surface in almost any temperature atmosphere / liquid (sort of the opposite of teflon). The material is somewhat stretchy and hard to tear or pierce (it tends to just stretch instead). Cut with a special blade that comes with the roll. You peel off the protective strip that keeps it from adhering to itself and put it in place. REquires caution handling or you stick to it....
Various widths and some have a metal foil in the center to add strength.

Surgical "foam." Works sort of like that expanding insulation foam in application. It will fill a wound completely sealing it. Includes a clotting agent and a anti-bacterial / anit-biotic agent also. Expands to completely fill a wound. A spray is available to dissolve it into a harmless organic liquid that is drained or can simply be asorpbed by the body as a nutrient.

Breathable liquid(s). Several products. These products can be oxygenated and then literally inhaled into the lungs filling them with liquid. The oxygen in them can be asorpbed by the body just like breathing. Useful for drowning victims, persons with things like chemical or smoke inhalation. You force the liquid into the lungs and it allows the person to breathe while trapping the water or smoke / chemical particles and removing them.

Smart patches. As it probably isn't too uncommon for space ships to have their hull punctured by things like micro asteroids and such, you have a smart patch or two in most spaces adjacent to the hull. When a drop in air pressure or the sound associated with a leak in the hull is detected by the smart patch it will move to where the puncture is and seal it automatically. Early models had some issues with snoring.....

Foam patch. Sort of a cross between expanding foam insulation and JB Weld. It is simply sprayed into the hole or onto the surface where it proceeds to harden into a metal-like patch that adheres to many surfaces like glue. Can be used to glue two items together and fill the gap between them with a material as strong as say, aluminum.
Comes in spray can form. Two types: One that works on contact with air another that works in any condition or in a vacuum.
 
Enoki said:
You peel off the protective strip that keeps it from adhering to itself and put it in place.
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How do you get the protective strip off? Doesn't it stick to that? ;)

Enoki said:
Expands to completely fill a wound.
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Usually you want to avoid "filling" a wound - you want the edges pulled together. This would be for extreme emergencies only, I think. (And, heck, we have this now - those foam insulation cans.....)

Enoki said:
Early models had some issues with snoring.....
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LOL! :rofl:

Enoki said:
Foam patch. Sort of a cross between expanding foam insulation and JB Weld. It is simply sprayed into the hole or onto the surface where it proceeds to harden into a metal-like patch that adheres to many surfaces like glue. Can be used to glue two items together and fill the gap between them with a material as strong as say, aluminum.
Comes in spray can form. Two types: One that works on contact with air another that works in any condition or in a vacuum.
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Put it in a tube, instead. Hardens on contact with vacuum.
 
The idea on the medical foam is in cases like major internal injuries where bleeding needs control. The foam literally fills say, the wound channel of a bullet through the body. It would plug a wound that has punctured a lung or protect organs that were now exposed.

The idea would be to protect the wounded person from sepsis (sp) and injury resulting from complications of the wound until he / she could be treated in a medical center where they dissolve the foam to no harmful effect on the patient.
 
Enoki said:
Breathable liquid(s). Several products. These products can be oxygenated and then literally inhaled into the lungs filling them with liquid. The oxygen in them can be asorpbed by the body just like breathing. Useful for drowning victims, persons with things like chemical or smoke inhalation. You force the liquid into the lungs and it allows the person to breathe while trapping the water or smoke / chemical particles and removing them.
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Such a thing already exists (a special sort of perfluorocarbon):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_breathing
An example of its use is also found in Dan Brown's "The Lost Symbol".
 
77topaz said:
Such a thing already exists (a special sort of perfluorocarbon):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_breathing
An example of its use is also found in Dan Brown's "The Lost Symbol".
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Actually, I understand there are like 7 or 8 different products that do this. I first learned about it from an article where they used one of these on a young girl that had fallen in a peat bog and drowned. She was resuccitated (sp) and kept on the liquid and unconscientious (to prevent reactions to her lungs filled with the liquid). The liquid was filtered to remove all the debris that had filled her lungs when she fell in.
 
Enoki said:
Here's a few you could include:

A tape that sticks to just about any surface in almost any temperature atmosphere / liquid (sort of the opposite of teflon). The material is somewhat stretchy and hard to tear or pierce (it tends to just stretch instead). Cut with a special blade that comes with the roll. You peel off the protective strip that keeps it from adhering to itself and put it in place. REquires caution handling or you stick to it....
Various widths and some have a metal foil in the center to add strength.
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So that's what they make Battle Dress from. :)

And yes, I could see it being quite useful, but it should have a solvent that people can use to get it off their hands, spacesuit, or whatever.

I have to make custom bandages for my wife, and preventing the sticky stuff from sticking to me or itself is a real pain.

Surgical "foam." Works sort of like that expanding insulation foam in application. It will fill a wound completely sealing it. Includes a clotting agent and a anti-bacterial / anit-biotic agent also. Expands to completely fill a wound. A spray is available to dissolve it into a harmless organic liquid that is drained or can simply be asorpbed by the body as a nutrient.
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I think there was an article in JTAS about "Bandage" which sort of did this.

It should also be a matrix that new skin/tissue could grow into, and should dissolve or be absorbed in this case. Often surgical incisions can have deep parts that (in the modern world) one has to fill with packing tape (like gauze, non-sticky, but in a long thin strand) for 48 hours and then take out and put new stuff in and repeat until healed so a wound will heal from the bottom first. A spray like that would be extremely useful for both first-aid (I got shot!) and post-surgical care (it would probably be put in by a nurse after the would was drained).

I would also think it should have a painkiller mixed in with it to encourage the victim to get up sooner, something all doctors and insurance companies seem to encourage.

Foam patch. Sort of a cross between expanding foam insulation and JB Weld. It is simply sprayed into the hole or onto the surface where it proceeds to harden into a metal-like patch that adheres to many surfaces like glue. Can be used to glue two items together and fill the gap between them with a material as strong as say, aluminum.
Comes in spray can form. Two types: One that works on contact with air another that works in any condition or in a vacuum.
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Imagine the kids huffing this. :)

Evolution in action.
 
Another nifty product would be "House in a Can" or "Tent in a Can." This would be in kit form. You get a very, very light weight almost gossemer-like material that is like a open screen. You hang, put, etc., this where you want to build a shelter, wall, etc. You then take the kit's can of spray and just go over the above material. As the spray contents contact the material they interact with it either directly or electro-staticly (in between the actual grid) hardening into a plastic-like semi-rigid material almost instantly.

The resulting "wall" is air tight and has fair insulating properties. Two panels set about 15 cm apart will insulate completely in most situations. One kit produces 2 x 3 meters of "wall" in any shape you can get the bonding material to form into.

Reinforcement of the sheets will give sufficent rigidity to work in a high pressure differential situation like a vacuum.

Also comes in cases of 6 or 12 kits. Just perfect for building your survival shelter on a vacuum world.....
 
77topaz said:
Wouldn't trying to inhale a foam that hardens to aluminium-strength on contact with anything basically be suicidal?
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It would, but so would direct inhalation of most of the solvent based chemicals that are abused so. The way it's done is the chemical is sprayed or whatever into a bag and then the fumes themselves are inhaled from the bag. This also allows sharing by passing it around...

...but we are straying WAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYY off the forum bounds now. Not that there isn't a Ob Trav in there somewhere.

EDIT: And of course it is still suicidal, just slower or less predictably.
 
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Fritz_Brown said:
I tried snorting coke once... but the ice cubes kept getting stuck in my nose.
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Yeah, like Dangerous said you need to use a straw. I snorted coke once, it was not pleasant... though doing it backwards might have been the problem, I snorted it out my nose through my mouth. Took a real deep pull on the straw and a friend made me laugh. Trust me cola spewing from your nose is just as painful and it sounds and makes a real mess of the nearly full box of pizza. On the upside I got all the slightly soggy pizza to myself :D
 
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