FFE Classic Traveller Reprints

[RainOfSteel]

Originally posted by hunter:
The UWPs for the Gateway Sector were drawn from the MTJ containing that sector. Ley and Glimmerdrift were drawn from the Atlas of the Imperium. Crucis was supplied to us from Marc with the Ley and Glimmerdrift UWPs.

If anything, the GEnie data is likely derived from those sources.

On changing the UWPs, the biggest problem you have with that is invalidating anything published using the old UWPs.

Hunter

I hadn't thought of that. The trouble with the UWPs in the database I have is that they don't come with a "source" field describing what the source of the data is. It just looks like it's all from the GEnie data.

The database I have appears to be back from the late 90s, but those sources you mentioned are from substantially before that. A lot of the sectors it contains were never published, anywhere.

 

[RainOfSteel]

Originally posted by hunter:
The UWPs for the Gateway Sector were drawn from the MTJ containing that sector. Ley and Glimmerdrift were drawn from the Atlas of the Imperium. Crucis was supplied to us from Marc with the Ley and Glimmerdrift UWPs.

If anything, the GEnie data is likely derived from those sources.

On changing the UWPs, the biggest problem you have with that is invalidating anything published using the old UWPs.

Hunter

I hadn't thought of that. The trouble with the UWPs in the database I have is that they don't come with a "source" field describing what the source of the data is. It just looks like it's all from the GEnie data.

The database I have appears to be back from the late 90s, but those sources you mentioned are from substantially before that. A lot of the sectors it contains were never published, anywhere.

 

[RainOfSteel]

Originally posted by Malenfant:
Hunter - what about the TNE:1248 sectors? Are those all from the Atlas of the Imperium?

If so, then it's rather more disturbing to hear that something that IS canonical is so broken.

Well, the random generation systems all work upon a single world in each starsystem as if there were no other worlds, either in that starsystem, or in any other starsystem. And as you well know, there are characteristics right on the UWP line that pretend the other characteristics don't exist.

I think we're both expecting that one of the "great old ones" is going to take steps to "fix" what we view as "broken", so that current and future products won't possess the problems of the past.


Hunter . . . does the crew/staff of QLI or (if you know) FFE or the GURPS Traveller line share any belief that work needs to be done on the entire "random" world/system generation mechanics (from *any* of the books)? Or are those mechanics, and what at least a few of us out here view as the . . . crazy UWPs and stars present for them that are produced by these mechanics, not viewed as a problem?

 

[RainOfSteel]

Originally posted by Malenfant:
Hunter - what about the TNE:1248 sectors? Are those all from the Atlas of the Imperium?

If so, then it's rather more disturbing to hear that something that IS canonical is so broken.

Well, the random generation systems all work upon a single world in each starsystem as if there were no other worlds, either in that starsystem, or in any other starsystem. And as you well know, there are characteristics right on the UWP line that pretend the other characteristics don't exist.

I think we're both expecting that one of the "great old ones" is going to take steps to "fix" what we view as "broken", so that current and future products won't possess the problems of the past.


Hunter . . . does the crew/staff of QLI or (if you know) FFE or the GURPS Traveller line share any belief that work needs to be done on the entire "random" world/system generation mechanics (from *any* of the books)? Or are those mechanics, and what at least a few of us out here view as the . . . crazy UWPs and stars present for them that are produced by these mechanics, not viewed as a problem?

 

[aramis]

Originally posted by RainOfSteel:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by hunter:
The UWPs for the Gateway Sector were drawn from the MTJ containing that sector. Ley and Glimmerdrift were drawn from the Atlas of the Imperium. Crucis was supplied to us from Marc with the Ley and Glimmerdrift UWPs.

If anything, the GEnie data is likely derived from those sources.

On changing the UWPs, the biggest problem you have with that is invalidating anything published using the old UWPs.

Hunter

I hadn't thought of that. The trouble with the UWPs in the database I have is that they don't come with a "source" field describing what the source of the data is. It just looks like it's all from the GEnie data.

The database I have appears to be back from the late 90s, but those sources you mentioned are from substantially before that. A lot of the sectors it contains were never published, anywhere. </font>[/QUOTE]Also note, the early 1980s saw the publication of different Ley, Glimmerdrift, Crucis Margin and Maranath-Alkahest sectors.. I got them before 1986...

It was paricularly nice since they were cheap back then: $4 each. I paid $5.95 for Sup 3 and $6.95 for sup 10.

Atlas invalidated them.

 

[aramis]

Originally posted by RainOfSteel:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by hunter:
The UWPs for the Gateway Sector were drawn from the MTJ containing that sector. Ley and Glimmerdrift were drawn from the Atlas of the Imperium. Crucis was supplied to us from Marc with the Ley and Glimmerdrift UWPs.

If anything, the GEnie data is likely derived from those sources.

On changing the UWPs, the biggest problem you have with that is invalidating anything published using the old UWPs.

Hunter

I hadn't thought of that. The trouble with the UWPs in the database I have is that they don't come with a "source" field describing what the source of the data is. It just looks like it's all from the GEnie data.

The database I have appears to be back from the late 90s, but those sources you mentioned are from substantially before that. A lot of the sectors it contains were never published, anywhere. </font>[/QUOTE]Also note, the early 1980s saw the publication of different Ley, Glimmerdrift, Crucis Margin and Maranath-Alkahest sectors.. I got them before 1986...

It was paricularly nice since they were cheap back then: $4 each. I paid $5.95 for Sup 3 and $6.95 for sup 10.

Atlas invalidated them.

 

[Malenfant]

Originally posted by RainOfSteel:
Well, the random generation systems all work upon a single world in each starsystem as if there were no other worlds, either in that starsystem, or in any other starsystem. And as you well know, there are characteristics right on the UWP line that pretend the other characteristics don't exist.

I think we're both expecting that one of the "great old ones" is going to take steps to "fix" what we view as "broken", so that current and future products won't possess the problems of the past.


Hunter . . . does the crew/staff of QLI or (if you know) FFE or the GURPS Traveller line share any belief that work needs to be done on the entire "random" world/system generation mechanics (from *any* of the books)? Or are those mechanics, and what at least a few of us out here view as the . . . crazy UWPs and stars present for them that are produced by these mechanics, not viewed as a problem? [/QB]

Bear in mind when I say "broken" in this case I mean:

1) has totally unrealistic stellar data that makes no sense. This is because the Book 6 algorithms are badly flawed, but we can definitely, absolutely fix that with the Revised Stellar Generation Tables I made. So this need not be a problem anymore.

2) has UWPs that are way outside the statistical expectations of the Basic UWP Generation system. Specifically, too many 100 worlds, too few 9 or A worlds, etc. This is because whatever algorithm was used to generate the UWPs for each sector was clearly flawed and biased in some way to produce those results. This can easily be fixed by replacing these with an algorithm that has been verified to produce appropriate results.

I'm not concerned about physical realism of the UWPs right now - that's a far more complex kettle of fish. There are still some problems with that aspect, but I think getting rid of the two problems described above will make everyone's lives a whole lot easier and remove the major existing realism issues.

 

[Malenfant]

Originally posted by RainOfSteel:
Well, the random generation systems all work upon a single world in each starsystem as if there were no other worlds, either in that starsystem, or in any other starsystem. And as you well know, there are characteristics right on the UWP line that pretend the other characteristics don't exist.

I think we're both expecting that one of the "great old ones" is going to take steps to "fix" what we view as "broken", so that current and future products won't possess the problems of the past.


Hunter . . . does the crew/staff of QLI or (if you know) FFE or the GURPS Traveller line share any belief that work needs to be done on the entire "random" world/system generation mechanics (from *any* of the books)? Or are those mechanics, and what at least a few of us out here view as the . . . crazy UWPs and stars present for them that are produced by these mechanics, not viewed as a problem? [/QB]

Bear in mind when I say "broken" in this case I mean:

1) has totally unrealistic stellar data that makes no sense. This is because the Book 6 algorithms are badly flawed, but we can definitely, absolutely fix that with the Revised Stellar Generation Tables I made. So this need not be a problem anymore.

2) has UWPs that are way outside the statistical expectations of the Basic UWP Generation system. Specifically, too many 100 worlds, too few 9 or A worlds, etc. This is because whatever algorithm was used to generate the UWPs for each sector was clearly flawed and biased in some way to produce those results. This can easily be fixed by replacing these with an algorithm that has been verified to produce appropriate results.

I'm not concerned about physical realism of the UWPs right now - that's a far more complex kettle of fish. There are still some problems with that aspect, but I think getting rid of the two problems described above will make everyone's lives a whole lot easier and remove the major existing realism issues.

 

[staples357]

I have a prepaid copy that I was told would ship may of 04 . so when it didnt I e-mailed mark and asked what was the hold up? he e-mailed me back last sat. 7-09-04 and said jtas vol. 3 was at the printers and would ship as soon as they got it back from them so thats alls I know.

 

[staples357]

I have a prepaid copy that I was told would ship may of 04 . so when it didnt I e-mailed mark and asked what was the hold up? he e-mailed me back last sat. 7-09-04 and said jtas vol. 3 was at the printers and would ship as soon as they got it back from them so thats alls I know.

 

[hirch duckfinder]

Originally posted by staples357:
I have a prepaid copy that I was told would ship may of 04 . so when it didnt I e-mailed mark and asked what was the hold up? he e-mailed me back last sat. 7-09-04 and said jtas vol. 3 was at the printers and would ship as soon as they got it back from them so thats alls I know.

GOOD NEWS

 

[hirch duckfinder]

Originally posted by staples357:
I have a prepaid copy that I was told would ship may of 04 . so when it didnt I e-mailed mark and asked what was the hold up? he e-mailed me back last sat. 7-09-04 and said jtas vol. 3 was at the printers and would ship as soon as they got it back from them so thats alls I know.

GOOD NEWS

 

[daryen]

Out of curiousity, did you ever get the book?

 

[daryen]

Out of curiousity, did you ever get the book?

 

[shield]

I email Marc about JTAS three in early july. He said it had gone to the printers and should be ready at end july. Given final check of prints and issuing to distributors it should not be too long.

Cheers
Richard

 

[shield]

I email Marc about JTAS three in early july. He said it had gone to the printers and should be ready at end july. Given final check of prints and issuing to distributors it should not be too long.

Cheers
Richard

 

[daryen]

Staples already told us that. I wanted to know if anyone had actually seen it yet. That's all.

 

[daryen]

Staples already told us that. I wanted to know if anyone had actually seen it yet. That's all.

 

[FlightCommanderSolitude]

Word from the man is:

This book is at the printers, and we expect it back August 31.

 

[FlightCommanderSolitude]

Word from the man is:

This book is at the printers, and we expect it back August 31.