Has Anyone Made a Million Ton Ship?
- Thread starter Jeff M. Hopper
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I think i did design one using High Guard back in the day. It's pretty easy to put one together in HGS. The way spinal mounts max out though, IIRC there's not much point going over 500K dtons for military purposes.
You could have a lot of fun designing a sublight interstellar colony ship though. It could be interesting seeing what fraction of lightspeed you could get an M-drive vessel up to. The max cruise speed would be limited by the fuel capacity more than the drive rating. I'd like to see what the fuel volume/payload capacity tradeoff looks like.
Simon Hibbs
CosmicGamer
SOC-14 1K
If you build it, they will come.
LOL. Yeah. It'd likely need to be armed, though maybe just with turrets. But that's a lot of turret firepower. (100% sandcasters might sound nice, but I'd mix dual fusion gun turrets in as well. And nuclear dampers, too.)
Crew would be a mix of merchant and naval, I think; you'd need naval experience for the turret batteries if nothing else. And the gunners could also serve as Security, both internal and external. Hm...
A Crew campaign, a Guests campaign, or mixed?
I built one the other way around ... world with no JD technology and an 8 parsec gap to the next closest star ... built a MD ship to travel back and forth like an East India Tea Clipper. Since the rules don't say there is a limit to using the Travel formula in TTB, I saw no reason not to use it for long range interstellar trade. 
At some distance, it actually becomes faster than JD. :rofl:
At some distance, it actually becomes faster than JD. :rofl:
Shadowrunner
SOC-12
Rarely do I design TL15 ships with spinal mounts or 2000 small craft, so I am finding it easier said than done. My current attempt has 130,000 spare or cargo, but is only using 6000 hardpoints. Including flight crew it has about 5000 crew and does Jump 4 and Maneuver 3G.
In High Guard? IIRC, fusion guns are actually less efficient than triple beam laser turrets, except at particular tech level/USP combinations. Plasma guns are far worse.
Am I misremembering?
Fusion guns rate higher than beam lasers for the same turret/ep numbers, short range only but the higher rating is useful when used for missile defence or mounted on attack fighters. Plasma guns, meh...
I did a million ton dreadnaught, back in 1982 IIRC; I do not remember the specifics, other than I put ten spinal mounts on it (I KNOW that's breaking the rules). I basically said they would all share the same to hit and damage rolls. I don't recall there being a huge advantage.
More recently, I realized HGS 2.0 did not enforce the Mega dton limit, so created a small moon...
o:
Ship: DS1
Class: Death Star
Type: Battle Station
Architect: Ballard Designs
Tech Level: 15
USP
BX-Z5424JZ-F99949-99T99-Y TCr 9,604.211 10,000 MTons
Bat Bear [see below] Crew: 67647768 TL: 15
Cargo: 245,808 Passengers: 90000 Fuel: 5,800,010,000 EP: 400,000,000 Agility: 1 Marines: 1,000,000 Drop Capsules: 50,000 (plus 200,000 Ready) Fitted as Flagship: Accommodation for Admiral and ten staff with Flag Bridge and Model/8fib Flag Computer
Craft: 1,000 x 50T FHes, 5,000 x 50T Cutters, 20 x 400T Patrol Cruisers, 40 x 400T Fleet Couriers, 5,000 x 8T Astrin G-Carriers, 4 x 60000T Azhanti High Lightnings, 40 50T Launch Tubes, 2 400T Launch Tubes
Fuel Treatment: Fuel Scoops and On Board Fuel Purification
Backups: 1 x 1G Maneuver Drive 1 x Jump 1 Drive 1 x Factor 1 Power Plant 4 x Model/9fib Computers 1 x Bridge 3 x Factor 9 Nuclear Dampers 3 x Factor 9 Meson Screens 1 x Factor 4 Black Globe
Architects Fee: MCr 96,037,368.923 Cost in Quantity: MCr 7,683,463,513.840
COMMENTS
The Death Star is a large military city that is capable of jump-4.
At 10 billion dtons, it is a massive structure, a sphere 62 km in diameter.
It has a staggering 800,000 Factor-9 beam laser batteries, 500,000
100-ton missile bays, and 100,000 100-ton meson bays.
It carries 1,000,000 marines who can be landed in 4 waves of the station's
5,000 cutters, and supported by 1,000 heavy fighters.
It has a crew of 45,000,000, and carries up to a year's supplies for them.
Life support alone runs 2.34 billion annually.
It's cost was 9 Quadrillion, 6 Hundred Trillion credits (9.6x10^15 Cr).
More recently, I realized HGS 2.0 did not enforce the Mega dton limit, so created a small moon...
o:Ship: DS1
Class: Death Star
Type: Battle Station
Architect: Ballard Designs
Tech Level: 15
USP
BX-Z5424JZ-F99949-99T99-Y TCr 9,604.211 10,000 MTons
Bat Bear [see below] Crew: 67647768 TL: 15
Cargo: 245,808 Passengers: 90000 Fuel: 5,800,010,000 EP: 400,000,000 Agility: 1 Marines: 1,000,000 Drop Capsules: 50,000 (plus 200,000 Ready) Fitted as Flagship: Accommodation for Admiral and ten staff with Flag Bridge and Model/8fib Flag Computer
Craft: 1,000 x 50T FHes, 5,000 x 50T Cutters, 20 x 400T Patrol Cruisers, 40 x 400T Fleet Couriers, 5,000 x 8T Astrin G-Carriers, 4 x 60000T Azhanti High Lightnings, 40 50T Launch Tubes, 2 400T Launch Tubes
Fuel Treatment: Fuel Scoops and On Board Fuel Purification
Backups: 1 x 1G Maneuver Drive 1 x Jump 1 Drive 1 x Factor 1 Power Plant 4 x Model/9fib Computers 1 x Bridge 3 x Factor 9 Nuclear Dampers 3 x Factor 9 Meson Screens 1 x Factor 4 Black Globe
Architects Fee: MCr 96,037,368.923 Cost in Quantity: MCr 7,683,463,513.840
COMMENTS
The Death Star is a large military city that is capable of jump-4.
At 10 billion dtons, it is a massive structure, a sphere 62 km in diameter.
It has a staggering 800,000 Factor-9 beam laser batteries, 500,000
100-ton missile bays, and 100,000 100-ton meson bays.
It carries 1,000,000 marines who can be landed in 4 waves of the station's
5,000 cutters, and supported by 1,000 heavy fighters.
It has a crew of 45,000,000, and carries up to a year's supplies for them.
Life support alone runs 2.34 billion annually.
It's cost was 9 Quadrillion, 6 Hundred Trillion credits (9.6x10^15 Cr).
No but long ago in my uni days I made this monstrosity for a bit of fun to see what I could do 
http://www.downport.com/bard/bard/sara/sara5047.html
http://www.downport.com/bard/bard/sara/sara5047.html
I worked this out once, drew up a 600 dton m1 ship that could cross one parsec in eight years. spends nine months accelerating to .8c, cruises for six and a half years, spends another nine months in decel. has to refuel to return home but can carry enough supplies to make the trip. can be done.
can be done with a type-s 100dton scoutship too. attach a 200dton fuel tank to it and it can still get m1, do the same thing. have to spend most of the time in low-berth .... had a character do that once.
I've done one. It was designed off the idea presented in E.C.Tubb's Tuf Voyaging, a 1,000,000 ton ship that was designed to park itself over a world, and rebuild its entire eco-system, making the world inhabitable for mankind, then dropping a colony before moving on.
Long ago lost the stats, but it was about 50% bio and cloning labs, and had over 100,000 tons of hanger with shuttles.
It was a McGuffin, a leftover from a game in which it was used by a villain who was holding a world hostage. Fun game.
~Cryton
Long ago lost the stats, but it was about 50% bio and cloning labs, and had over 100,000 tons of hanger with shuttles.
It was a McGuffin, a leftover from a game in which it was used by a villain who was holding a world hostage. Fun game.
~Cryton
I'm guessing this might be a good way to get people to tell me about bugs
My take on a multi-million ton ship. Carries 200,000 passengers and 1.6 million low passengers.
Moon
5000000 ton, TL 13 Military Design, 1,877,401.25 MCr
40725 crew (Command: 2+2498, Engineers: 1+2999, Service: 1+9999, Flight: 1+4000, Gunners: 1+370, Marines: 12+750, Security: 1+4999, Medics: 1+15090)
Agility 0, Emergency Agility 1
_________Ton.___________MCr.________EP.___
| 1,000,000.00 | ____4,500.00 | _____.__ | Planetoid, not streamlined
| __800,000.00 | __800,000.00 | _____.__ | hull armour #A
| __100,000.00 | ___25,000.00 | _____.__ | bridge
| ________9.00 | _______80.00 | ____7.00 | 1 x computer model 7
| __100,000.00 | __400,000.00 | _____.__ | drive jump #1
| __100,000.00 | __150,000.00 | _____.__ | drive maneouver #1
| __100,000.00 | __300,000.00 | _____.__ | power plant #1
| __100,000.00 | _________.__ | _____.__ | fuel, PP endurance 8 weeks (8 weeks powered down)
| __500,000.00 | _________.__ | _____.__ | fuel, jump range 1 parsecs
| ______500.00 | ______375.00 | _____.__ | 50 x sand casters turret #9
| ____2,000.00 | ______200.00 | __200.00 | 20 x repulsors 100-ton bay #7
| ____2,000.00 | ____6,000.00 | 6,000.00 | 200 x beam lasers turret #9
| ____4,000.00 | ______800.00 | _____.__ | 40 x HE/Nuc missiles 100-ton bay #9
| __800,080.00 | __100,010.00 | _____.__ | 200020 x staterooms
| ___81,410.00 | ___10,176.25 | _____.__ | 40705 x cabins
| __800,000.00 | ___80,000.00 | _____.__ | 1600000 x low berths
| __380,000.00 | _________.__ | _____.__ | 380000 tons cargo capacity
| __130,000.00 | ______260.00 | _____.__ | 2000 x 50 ton Cutters
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| 4,999,999.00 | 1,877,401.25 | 6,207.00 EP used, PP generates 50,000.00 EPs
1,896,175.26 MCr for first ship in class, built in 304 weeks
1,501,921.00 MCr when built in volume, built in 244 weeks
CT Ship Designer by Matt. Visit https://tca-2014-12.herokuapp.com
My take on a multi-million ton ship. Carries 200,000 passengers and 1.6 million low passengers.
Moon
5000000 ton, TL 13 Military Design, 1,877,401.25 MCr
40725 crew (Command: 2+2498, Engineers: 1+2999, Service: 1+9999, Flight: 1+4000, Gunners: 1+370, Marines: 12+750, Security: 1+4999, Medics: 1+15090)
Agility 0, Emergency Agility 1
_________Ton.___________MCr.________EP.___
| 1,000,000.00 | ____4,500.00 | _____.__ | Planetoid, not streamlined
| __800,000.00 | __800,000.00 | _____.__ | hull armour #A
| __100,000.00 | ___25,000.00 | _____.__ | bridge
| ________9.00 | _______80.00 | ____7.00 | 1 x computer model 7
| __100,000.00 | __400,000.00 | _____.__ | drive jump #1
| __100,000.00 | __150,000.00 | _____.__ | drive maneouver #1
| __100,000.00 | __300,000.00 | _____.__ | power plant #1
| __100,000.00 | _________.__ | _____.__ | fuel, PP endurance 8 weeks (8 weeks powered down)
| __500,000.00 | _________.__ | _____.__ | fuel, jump range 1 parsecs
| ______500.00 | ______375.00 | _____.__ | 50 x sand casters turret #9
| ____2,000.00 | ______200.00 | __200.00 | 20 x repulsors 100-ton bay #7
| ____2,000.00 | ____6,000.00 | 6,000.00 | 200 x beam lasers turret #9
| ____4,000.00 | ______800.00 | _____.__ | 40 x HE/Nuc missiles 100-ton bay #9
| __800,080.00 | __100,010.00 | _____.__ | 200020 x staterooms
| ___81,410.00 | ___10,176.25 | _____.__ | 40705 x cabins
| __800,000.00 | ___80,000.00 | _____.__ | 1600000 x low berths
| __380,000.00 | _________.__ | _____.__ | 380000 tons cargo capacity
| __130,000.00 | ______260.00 | _____.__ | 2000 x 50 ton Cutters
‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒
| 4,999,999.00 | 1,877,401.25 | 6,207.00 EP used, PP generates 50,000.00 EPs
1,896,175.26 MCr for first ship in class, built in 304 weeks
1,501,921.00 MCr when built in volume, built in 244 weeks
CT Ship Designer by Matt. Visit https://tca-2014-12.herokuapp.com
Space Hamster
SOC-12
I wonder how many tons the Star Wars' Death Star would be?
All of them. :devil:
