How common is space travel in Traveller

[Magnus von Thornwood]

Again in the Middle.

Isn't the canon difference between Mid Passage and High Passage just that a Mid passenger will have to shift if a High passenger arrives? (I think it's that way on Traveller Wikia)

That and if I recall correctly, the other difference in the OTU is that Middle Passengers aren't catered to by the Steward, basically it is self serve.

But that would be the OTU. I choose to keep those aspects and my addition of double occupancy for MATU.

 

[77topaz]

That and if I recall correctly, the other difference in the OTU is that Middle Passengers aren't catered to by the Steward, basically it is self serve.

But that would be the OTU. I choose to keep those aspects and my addition of double occupancy for MATU.

How about a couple going on an interstellar trip together? Do they book separate High Passage staterooms, or one Middle Passage stateroom?

 

[Magnus von Thornwood]

Love means never having to say move over.

How about a couple going on an interstellar trip together? Do they book separate High Passage staterooms, or one Middle Passage stateroom?

Well, if they are paying for High Passage and desire to spend the trip in the same room, we make sure they have a bigger bed. Not that the beds in High Passage are small, another perk of the price is large size beds versus the standard size beds of Middle Passage staterooms. That and the stateroom itself is of better quality, real wood as opposed to panelling, trim and molding, those little touches that say wealth. Otherwise, same service.

 

[far-trader]

How about a couple going on an interstellar trip together? Do they book separate High Passage staterooms, or one Middle Passage stateroom?

Either. The first would be more luxurious since they'd have two adjoining staterooms combined into a single suite and more attention from the Steward.

 

[Carlobrand]

Sure you did. It's in the contract. Read the fine print for the fine print, here use my scanning electron microscope

DANGIT!! My wife's gonna kill me!:rofl:

Key to the lower LS cost by the way is that at just Cr200 for 2 weeks it really can be mostly food, and we aren't forced to presume some exceedingly rare expendables like iridium lined and silk faced toilet paper

Iridium-lined toilet paper?? Ouchie!

 

[christopher.boote]

BA took no government subsidies directly tied to the Concorde. However, if you want to claim BA receives no government subsidies at all then The Economist has been lying to me for the more than 15 years I've been a subscriber.

And BA is a piker compared to the subsidies AF receives.

National regulations don't mean squat globally. The US and EU regulatory hurdles put in place on the Concorde don't apply to Tokyo, Beijing, Qatar, New Delhi, and other places. If enough demand for SSTs existed they'd still be flying and there would have been more built then 20.

Hmm - no DIRECT subsidies - but not having to pay VAT on air fuel is, I suppose, an indirect subsidy

The problem with SSTs is not the cost of the 'plane or operating it, but the R&D
There IS an SST on the drawing board right now, as we speak, with engines (Rolls Royce of course ) sitting in an engine testing shed just outside Coventry

To move from plastic models to just a proof-of-concept airframe would cost over (quick calculation GBP-> USD) $400m
No individual aircraft manufacturer can afford that for something that literally might not fly without a safety net

SST has to be a government (or multiple government) R&D investment, but it's a 10-20 year plan, and most western governments can only think in 4- and 5-year scales

Guess in which country that plastic model is?
China
And the potential client is a consortium of Emirates, Etihad and Royal Jordanian

So we MIGHT see another SST in out lifetimes, but I wouldn't expect to get another ride on one

Anyway... enough of the digression, back to the main topic
So

 

[rancke]

Thank you! And here I thought I was the only one who always thought Middle Passage meant sharing the stateroom. You want privacy, you purchase a High Passage. If you are brave and/or broke you hop in a Low Berth and hope you make out.

Middle Passage expressly means single occupancy. The disconnect seems (to me) to be the lack of a double occupancy option. IMTU I have Economy Passage with double occupancy¹. It's just that no organization issues Economy Passage vouchers.

¹ I also have lower life support costs.​

Hans

 

[Timerover51]

When it comes to Middle Passage, i go with Double Occupancy, and also lower life support costs, both per trip and installed with the staterooms. I sort of like my ships to make a small profit. However, my maintenance cost set aside is much higher than given in the books, as it is one percent of the purchase price per month. I feel that is a LOT more realistic compared to the real world.

 

[Duke Craig]

Just wanted to chime into this

Actually, you're both correct
Per ... the Spinward Marches Campaign copyright 1985 the total population is probably trillions (maybe some 4 trillion at a guesstimate). However, that was re-generated/re-created (fudged probably) to include the updated world gen which added the population modifier code and increased the total population significantly.

Great little subthread about population of the Spinward Marches.
According to CT SM there were 872.123 billion as mentioned by Far-trader.

I have done a random generator using all of the worlds of the SM using pop codes and pop multipliers. I used six* sig. figs. from the pop codes.
This came up with a value of 4.1806 E11 that’s 418.06 billion for ALL of the main worlds of SM.

However, I don’t see any problem with there being around 4 trillion beings within the boundaries of SM if you include secondary world populations.

The reason for this is that CT SM quotes 111.3 billion within Trin’s Veil.

But if you count up all the worlds in Trin's Veil using the above method you get 3.69 E10 that’s 36.9 billion. That’s including 30,655,243,000 inhabitants of TRIN itself and another 4.9 billion on DODDS. (* Trin was a special case that got eight sig figs)

If canon of Trin’s Veil and the calculated values ratio is 3.01 then why not up to 5:1 or 10:1 including all of those secondus that were not included in the original survey.

So I don’t see any problem with both Gray Pennell and Tobias being correct in the earlier posts.

Thanks for reading, Enjoy!

Incidently (IMTU), Trin is not the most populous world in the Marches. I think Junidy got that mantle at 37 billion Llellewyoly.

Hey! How about a war with the Zho that kills off trillions of... no, I guess not

I hope I'm not too late...
Fourth or Fifth Frontier War Anyone? ...Anyone?

 

[rancke]

However, I don’t see any problem with there being around 4 trillion beings within the boundaries of SM if you include secondary world populations.

It plays havoc with all the trade rules, since they all assume that the population figure given for a mainworld is also close enough to the system population to ignore anything other than the figure for the mainworld.

By the same token it reduces the information value of the UWPs to the players.


Hans

 

[Duke Craig]

(If I were going to change the rules, guess which rule I'd change first.)

I just wanted to second this view.
Indeed to say thanks to Carlobrand, for this really well written argument with examples.

(By comparison, passage on the ill-fated Titanic was a "mere" 12 pounds for second class passage and 3 to 8 pounds for steerage - in an era when a laborer might earn 6 pounds in a month and a clerk might earn 8-9. It was a lot cheaper to get from Britain to the United States in 1912 than it is to get from Porozlo to Efate in 5629 AD.)

BTW, travel across the Atlantic Ocean in 1912 was probably safer and a lot faster (unless you were on the ill-fated liner ) than traveling from Porozlo to Efate (some 15 parsecs ) in 5629 A.D. (1108 TI) i.e. during the fifth frontier war :devil:! You'd probably rather take your chances on Porozlo o:!

Incidently, this is my first post with smilie faces.

Lastly, thanks to Hyphen @ tavonni.downport for the library data-Dating Systems.

Thanks for reading, Enjoy!