mike wightman
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The Expanse.
General How does maneuver drive propel?
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Mike, thanks for that! I started with CT early on, and that's where my thinking comes from. If fuel is consumed for thrust then there are limits, and limits are fine.
Err....so something from 2015 for a 1970's thing? Gotcha. I'm happy with dog fighting in space.
mike wightman
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You know how there is no stealth in space? There is no dogfighting either. At least not without cartoon action hour cinematic non-Newtonian physics. Even Traveller gravitic drives obey Newton's rules.
Spinward Flow
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2001: A Space Odyssey
2010: The Year We Make Contact
Bonus: 2010 also features an aerobraking scene to avoid using fuel in order to decelerate the Leonov into orbit around Jupiter on course for Io and Discovery.
Granted, these films use nuclear thermal rocketry, rather than M-Drives ... but the physics involved that dictate why the maneuvers are done remains the same.
How can we say there is no stealth in space when we don't have an actual agreed upon definition of how things work? I would counter that there is stealth in space because there are multiple components required for detection, and each component has its limits. For example, sensors have range, thus a ship that accelerates (a measurable phenomenon) outside of the sensor's range is "stealthy". If the ship shuts down most of its emissions before it hits sensor range, then the signature will be reduced. Not perfectly stealthy, but not blatantly obvious, either. It then depends on the quality of the sensors versus the stealth capability of the target. A TL 8 sensor might not see much of anything of a TL 15 stealth ship, since the emissions at TL 8 are different than TL 15.
To say there is no dog-fighting presupposes a deep understanding of advanced TLs that we haven't gotten to yet. Just like jump drive; the game needs it, so it exists. There is no working model for Traveller's jump drive at our current TL.
Cool, I'll have to watch 2001 again, haven't seen it for a long time.
mike wightman
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Thermodynamics.
You miss the point about no dogfighting in Traveller - no edition has yet dumped Newtonian movement (although MegaTraveller came laughably close) and MgT is trying its best because they want Star Wars fighters in their Traveller universe - the OTU so far remains Newtonian so no dogfighting.
You miss the point about no dogfighting in Traveller - no edition has yet dumped Newtonian movement (although MegaTraveller came laughably close) and MgT is trying its best because they want Star Wars fighters in their Traveller universe - the OTU so far remains Newtonian so no dogfighting.
I get the point, I just don't care. I don't use the OTU because it's not the story I want to tell. I thought I could reconcile the "turn around and burn" thing in MTU, but so far it seems I'm wrong. I'm happy to be wrong about being wrong, though.
Marcatlas
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No, that's per the rules description of the M-rives. An artists drawing has ZERO to do with the RAW.
Marcatlas
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All Sci-Fi I've read that uses thrust based drives for non FTL travel uses Newtonian physics for getting from A to B. The largest example being Niven's Universe and all the books
Understood on sci-fi that uses thrust based drives, but that's not M drive in the game, is it?
Marcatlas
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CT Book 2 has nothing about using fuel per burn for the M Drive. It wasn't designed as a reaction drive that burns fuel
Marcatlas
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Trav calls it "thrust" to measure the G's of the M drive. "It has 3Gs of "thrust". Some Trav versions use reaction drives. Some don't.
Skipped over the deck plans, something is sticking out the back from most of those m-drives.
Marcatlas
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Passive IR has no range. At least it encompasses within a solar system
Marcatlas
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Why can't you reconcile accelerate turn and decelerate?
As I often say, Traveller is a story sim not a space sim.
IMTU that highly disruptive m-drive field messes with all outgoing incidental EM including IR/UV such that detection gets limited to million km or less ranges. That is a deliberate choice for specific game effect.
mike wightman
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The 77 edition does, and interviews with Frank Chadwick and Dave Nilsen have them tell us the reason they went with HEPlaR for TNE is that reaction drives were the intention all along for CT - it's why the HG79 m-drive is a fusion drive that can be used as an energy weapon.
Note that 288 turns is the equivalent of 48 hours of continuous thrust.
