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Is Dulinor dead in GT?

There's been no hint that Dulinor's not dead, err... Loren and the hints have not contradicted the generally held belief that Dulinor is dead. But the investigation couldn't provide a body either.
 
Hmm, IIRC Dulinor died in a shuttle crash on his way to meet with the Emperor. That's the point where the G:T timeline diviates with cannon. I think it's in the G:T mainbook.

Now, there MAY be a hint that he didn't actually die. If so, I haven't seen it.
 
Yes, Strephon did die in MT. Completely. Gone. Outta the picture.

If you notice in both the Rebellion Sourcebook and in Hard Times, it is pretty obvious that "Strephon" is a complete imposter. He was so obvious that Hard Times had already set up to kill him off.

Then, before Arrival Vengence, GDW decided to "revise" history and say only a clone of Strephon was killed.

So, yes, in MT the real Strephon DID die. At least for a while.

To bring this back to Dulinor in GT, he is most likely dead. While they could bring him back (hopefully without using the "clone" trick again), I don't see where they need to.

To bring him back would be, IMO, a mistake. They made a clean break with the Rebellion history and they should not muddy the water by bringing Dulinor back.
 
Hmm

Strephon died, then was reborn in Arrival Vengeance?

Either thats not canon, or Strephon is some kind of J***s C****t like figure?

Is he worshipped in TNE Gushmege?
 
Not exactly.

The original storyline for MT was that Strephon died. The "Real Strephon" character was a complete phony, and Hard Times shows that GDW was preparing to actually eliminate that faction.

Later, GDW changed the story so that it wasn't *really* Strephon who died, but a clone. This change in the story was made by at least Arrival Vengence.

So Strephon was not "resurrected" within the story, but instead the story itself was changed to allow Strephon to be alive after all. (Think Bobby Ewing, here.)

So my point is that canon revisionism is pretty common. If Strephon's death, the linch pin of the MT story, "never really happened", then whatever SJG says about Dulinor's death is irrelevant. They can (and would) just change the story and bring him back if they feel it is necessary.
 
Originally posted by daryen:
If Strephon's death, the linch pin of the MT story, "never really happened", then whatever SJG says about Dulinor's death is irrelevant.
That's the thing. G:T is doing an "Alternate Time Line" and the point of departure is where Dulinor dieds in a shuttle crash BEFORE meeting with Stephron. So, in the G:T universe, the Emperor is alive and happy and any threat posed by Dulinor is moot.

I haven't heard any rumors about G:T bringing Dulinor back, but it seems to me if they did, it would just re-create all the weirdness the alternate time line tries to avoid.

On a side note, Loren and company (yup, that's you MJD) have doon a good job advancing the alternate time line up to 1120, and have droped several hints of things that MIGHT happen 1121+, but since it seems the G:T product line is dead in the water I don't know if any of that will ever be developed.

Oh well... We got a decent 128-page book out of them about every 2 months for almost 2 years. It was a good run, if you ask me.
 
Originally posted by phydaux:
On a side note, Loren and company (yup, that's you MJD) have doon a good job advancing the alternate time line up to 1120, and have droped several hints of things that MIGHT happen 1121+, but since it seems the G:T product line is dead in the water I don't know if any of that will ever be developed.

Oh well... We got a decent 128-page book out of them about every 2 months for almost 2 years. It was a good run, if you ask me.[/QB]
I wouldn't call GT dead, just taking a breather. There are 6 128 page books in production (Humanity, Starships, Imperial Navy, Nobles, Trojan reach Sector, Aldeberan sector) and if things go well we should see them all within the next year.
 
BTW, I agree that Dulinor needs to stay dead in GT. I was just trying to point out that saying "Dulinor is dead" doesn't mean anything if they decide to change their minds for some reason. I doubt they will, though.

As for the future of GT, as tjoneslo points out, there are several major items in the works, plus two of the main forces in GT both go promotions. Everything seems to indicate that GT is alive and well.

As for advancing the alternate timeline, maybe it isn't dead either. One thing I noticed while reading my new set of JTAS reprints is that GDW kept things quiet for a couple of years at the very start of JTAS before launching into the FFW.

Since one of the two main forces behind that is running the GT effort, maybe that is what he is doing there, too. So, instead of GT going out quietly, maybe this is just a calm before the storm.

This is pure speculation, but it is a possibility.
 
Originally posted by daryen:

Since one of the two main forces behind that is running the GT effort, maybe that is what he is doing there, too. So, instead of GT going out quietly, maybe this is just a calm before the storm.
My opinion: Dulinor is dead and will stay that way.

As for GT: This is the calm before the storm. Jon Zeigler, who wrote GT:Rim of Fire and is writing GT: Grand Frontier has a soft spot for the Solomani, and if you read the JTAS news reports, there is something going to go on there.

Loren, ever since GDW published "Secret of the Ancients", has been gun shy about letting out too many details. Traveller is (for some people) a game about secrets, and if you tell everyone, it no longer a secret.
 
Originally posted by tjoneslo:
I wouldn't call GT dead, just taking a breather. There are 6 128 page books in production (Humanity, Starships, Imperial Navy, Nobles, Trojan reach Sector, Aldeberan sector) and if things go well we should see them all within the next year.
I would sacrifice BODY PARTS to see Starships & Imperial Navy on the shelf at my local game store!And sector books are great because they can be used by ANY Traveller GM, regardless of game system.

If what you say is true, looks like I'm going to be a happy guy!
 
Lord, I hope so. The Rebellion/virus nonsense helped run me away from the published Traveller products. Leave him dead, and go on with it.

But that being said, I notice a tendency out there to "darken" the setting with Rick Bermanesque conspiracies and plots (Star Trek which took a darker turn once Rick Berman took over from Roddenberry. There was a consipiracy/plot to overthrow Starfleet or the Federation at least every couple of episodes) which, to me take away some of the feel of Traveller. If I want dark, I'll play Aftermath, T2K, or the Morrow Project.

Give me a starship full of loveable rogues out to swindle the wealthy with that scam, or to cause Imperial officers to pull out their hair in frustration over their inability to have the characters "walk the plank".

I like my Traveller on the lighter side. After all we played to RELAX.
 
Originally posted by tjoneslo:
There are 6 128 page books in production (Humanity, Starships, Imperial Navy, Nobles, Trojan reach Sector, Aldeberan sector) and if things go well we should see them all within the next year.
Hmm. I just took an extended prowl of the SJGames Web site. Unless tjoneslo is privy to inside info, there's NO G:T stuff on the SJGames horizon. Heck, G:T doesn't even appear on the "Powered by GURPS" page.

Oh well. What did I really expect, anyway?

phy, the Lonely GURPS traveller GM.
 
So far as I know, GT Imperial Navy is next up - it'ss 60% finished and awaiting editor-comments from Loren. Soon, I expect.
 
Originally posted by MJD:
So far as I know, GT Imperial Navy is next up - it'ss 60% finished and awaiting editor-comments from Loren. Soon, I expect.
Hmm. MDJ, you ARE in a position to know. I had thought GT Imperial Navy was on hold until G:T Starships was finished?

Loren DID just get a "promotion", relieving him from his JTAS duties and his G:T Line Editor duties. With Evil Steve picking Graeme Davis as JTAS Editor and Jon F. Zeigler as G:T Line Editor, you'd assume SJ had plans for more G:T goodness. Just nothing is announced.

We can only hope.

phy, the Lonely GURPS Traveller GM.
 
It's been on hold abdolutely bloody ages. But I'm told that Starships is moving along and so Navy is next.
 
It's been on hold abdolutely bloody ages. But I'm told that Starships is moving along and so Navy is next.
 
Originally posted by phydaux:
Hmm. I just took an extended prowl of the SJGames Web site. Unless tjoneslo is privy to inside info, there's NO G:T stuff on the SJGames horizon. Heck, G:T doesn't even appear on the "Powered by GURPS" page.

Oh well. What did I really expect, anyway?

phy, the Lonely GURPS traveller GM.[/QB]
My "insider" information comes from being a dedicated lurker on both the JTAS and Pyramid boards. And the TML. And here.

None of this is official in any capacity, just a collection of rumors from what I consider usually reliable sources. You should treat it with as many grains of salt it would bury it. And don't bug SJG about it, they'll simply deny it, and the next thing you know you'll have guys in black suits with red flashy things on your door step.
 
Originally posted by kafka47:
Is Dulinoir really dead in GT, or has Loren released some details of the future of GT line?
All the indications are that Dulinor is in fact dead. However, there have been one or two TNS items that have mentioned sightings of Dulinor and whenever this topic comes up, Loren is a pains to point out that his death is not "certain".

So, I'd say for the moment he's dead, but don't rule out a resurection at some point in the future
 
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