Is this Really such a good idea?

[PinkSplice]

I agree in great part with Mr. Moffat-Valances views on the history of Traveller systems. D20 of itself is not a bad system. But us old CT fans got one thing on the Tea Leaf boys- we've already got our stuff published, reprinted and loved. T^20 has yet to prove itself. All T^20 can hope for is ready acceptance by distributors and retailers who haven't yet been burned by a glut of unsold D20 product, hoping to get shelved next to the WOTC/D&D display.

 

[hunter]

Does this mean I should just put away my toys, go home and forgot this silly T20 nonsense?

Sorry, couldn't resist ;-P

Hunter
'Lifer', 'Tea-Leaf Boy', and resident Traveller Heretic


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[lucasdigital]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hunter:
Does this mean I should just put away my toys, go home and forgot this silly T20 nonsense?

B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Clearly D20 is happening.

I don't like the system at all in its Star Wars adaptation. That is not to say that T20 can't be much better.

The homogenisation of RPG rules clearly opens up the market in the same way that the PC market was openned up by 'universal standards'. Something which can be very positive to the whole gaming industry.

The only place where the value of T20 can be truely measured is in the marketplace...

Mark



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[AndreaV]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lucasdigital:
The only place where the value of T20 can be truely measured is in the marketplace...
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

All too true. Mind you if T20 does sink without trace (and I hope is **does not**) there will be many standing around to say "I told you so" and it will remain a cautionary tale passed on as a sacred tale around the campfires

 

[PinkSplice]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hunter:
Does this mean I should just put away my toys, go home and forgot this silly T20 nonsense?

Sorry, couldn't resist ;-P

Hunter
'Lifer', 'Tea-Leaf Boy', and resident Traveller Heretic


[This message has been edited by hunter (edited 31 May 2001).]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes. See my news flash over on Lone Star.

 

[PinkSplice]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Andrewmv:
All too true. Mind you if T20 does sink without trace (and I hope is **does not**) there will be many standing around to say "I told you so" and it will remain a cautionary tale passed on as a sacred tale around the campfires

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Count on it.

 

[Magnus Robot Fighter]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PinkSplice:

Count on it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Count on it sinking or count on it being passed on as a sacred tale around the campfires?

If you mean the former, then why bother to post here? Why waste your time?

I personally believe T20 will do well and I'll be buying at least one of everything produced for it.

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[hunter]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PinkSplice:
Yes. See my news flash over on Lone Star.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

(tongue in cheek)
Oh now I am hurt. PinkSplice has withdrawn his financial support for T20. Oh woe is me. What shall we ever do without the $0.02 that PinkSpice put in!
(/tongue in cheek)

Hunter

 

[PinkSplice]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Magnus Robot Fighter:
Count on it sinking or count on it being passed on as a sacred tale around the campfires?

If you mean the former, then why bother to post here? Why waste your time?

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Both. And as to why:

A) It's fun!

B) I'm the sort of person who can and did tell you Not To Buy The Dot Bombs at umpteen times non-existant earnings two years ago- and was RIGHT. You didn't WANT to believe it, I was RIGHT, you were WRONG, HA HA HA.
(Plus I made money on your being wrong. Double HA!)

C) I've been watching the adventure game industry now for two decades, and T^20 smells like a loser. Case in point: Mark spending his revenues from the reprints on T^20 has echoes of GDW spending it's Gulf War book revenues on Gygax (or the soi-disant Space 1889 cartoon series). You're a grandparent now, Captain. Put the money from reprints away into savings.

D) It's not the D20 system that's the problem: It's the timing and numbers. It's too late to try, and it will cost too much. We're simply too small of an audience to make a reasonable living off of, and getting new players into the game, in numbers large enough to make a difference, is an illusion.

E) Every discussion area needs somebody to hate. Like Mike Gentry for RPG.net, it's all my fault for everything that goes wrong here. I'm serving a valuable purpose drawing attention to all of you.

Whee hee!

Wally.

 

[Magnus Robot Fighter]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PinkSplice:

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E) Every discussion area needs somebody to hate.
<snip>
Whee hee!

Wally.[/B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi Hunter! Is there an 'ignore' function on this board?


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[hunter]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PinkSplice:
C) I've been watching the adventure game industry now for two decades, and T^20 smells like a loser. Case in point: Mark spending his revenues from the reprints on T^20 has echoes of GDW spending it's Gulf War book revenues on Gygax (or the soi-disant Space 1889 cartoon series). You're a grandparent now, Captain. Put the money from reprints away into savings.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You need to check your facts and concepts...Marc (with a c not a k btw Mr. Lifer) isn't putting the revenues into T20. Marc is not part of QuikLink. We are a licensee and it is our capital being put into T20 and it's production. So don't worry your little head off about 'the Captain'

Hunter


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[hunter]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Magnus Robot Fighter:
Hi Hunter! Is there an 'ignore' function on this board?

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LOL! No but if he gets too obnoxious I can always ban him from the boards. This isn't RPG.net and I will ban people who go too far.

That said, I will also tend to allow people to rant as long as it doesn't get into personal attacks.

Believe it or not, his (PinkSplice) ridiculous rants do in a way serve our purpose and draw attention to T20. Most folks will read his drak and come to the same opinion as most of the rest of us about him...

Hunter

 

[Magnus Robot Fighter]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hunter:
LOL! No but if he gets too obnoxious I can always ban him from the boards. This isn't RPG.net and I will ban people who go too far.

That said, I will also tend to allow people to rant as long as it doesn't get into personal attacks.

Believe it or not, his (PinkSplice) ridiculous rants do in a way serve our purpose and draw attention to T20. Most folks will read his drak and come to the same opinion as most of the rest of us about him...

Hunter<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok, thanks and fair enough. I can always just not read Pinkslip's er..Pinksplice's posts. Sorry for the 'slip'.

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[PinkSplice]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hunter:
LOL! No but if he gets too obnoxious I can always ban him from the boards. This isn't RPG.net and I will ban people who go too far.

That said, I will also tend to allow people to rant as long as it doesn't get into personal attacks.

Believe it or not, his (PinkSplice) ridiculous rants do in a way serve our purpose and draw attention to T20. Most folks will read his drak and come to the same opinion as most of the rest of us about him...

Hunter<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Excellent! Thank you, Hunter! I told you it was useful to have me around.

Wally.

 

[hunter]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PinkSplice:

Excellent! Thank you, Hunter! I told you it was useful to have me around.

Wally.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hehe in your own special way yes!

Honestly I don't have a problem with your comments (as long as they are accurate). We truly did expect this kind of reaction from among some of the 'lifers'. Just keep em civil is all I ask.

Hunter

 

[AndreaV]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by hunter:
Hehe in your own special way yes!

Honestly I don't have a problem with your comments (as long as they are accurate). We truly did expect this kind of reaction from among some of the 'lifers'. Just keep em civil is all I ask.

Hunter
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I remember back when GURPS Traveller was released, I was among those who predicted doom and the end of the world (and they weren't a small minority). I was proved wrong.

 

[JMBrooks]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lucasdigital:
Clearly D20 is happening.

I don't like the system at all in its Star Wars adaptation. That is not to say that T20 can't be much better.

The homogenisation of RPG rules clearly opens up the market in the same way that the PC market was openned up by 'universal standards'. Something which can be very positive to the whole gaming industry.

The only place where the value of T20 can be truely measured is in the marketplace...

Mark

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I have the d20 Star Wars RPG. I'm afraid that it was crippled in part by too slavish an adherance to the material developed by WEG in the older D6 game. They blew it because they tried to emulate aspects of the older game mechanic.

Hunter, this is the one thing I would ask you NOT to do. Don't try to emulate the old 2d6 CT game mechanic, or anything in between. Focus on creating a fun, balanced game that is appropriate to the Traveller universe, which is the real strength of the game.

Some of the things you posted in the other thread about the direction of the game sound like you may not feel free to make a break where it seems that you should do so. Do so. That's the only way that T20 will succeed. Focus on making it a good game first--not a nostalgic game.

 

[hunter]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JMBrooks:
Some of the things you posted in the other thread about the direction of the game sound like you may not feel free to make a break where it seems that you should do so. Do so. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What areas in particular?

We are striving to keep the flavor of CT. The rules are undergoing revisions where we feel it is necessary. Part of what we are trying to do is keep compatibility with data. What I mean by this, is with T20 you will be able to use ships and worlds designed under CT, and in all of the wealth of material available for that game. This allows T20 players to immediately have access to a wide range of support material.

An example of dedication to the flavor as opposed to the rules is with Star System development. Book 6 introduced the capacity to determine a lot more detail to each Star System with orbits, star types, etc. But IMO, it is almost as bad as designing a weapon in FF&S. Personally I don't want to have to whip out the calculator everytime I want to design something. In T20, there is a system to determine star type, orbits, world temperature, etc. But it's a lot simpler and quicker than Book 6. Is it as 'accurate'? Probably not, but it creates believably playable star systems. And it is still compatible with CT.

Hunter

 

[PinkSplice]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Andrewmv:
I remember back when GURPS Traveller was released, I was among those who predicted doom and the end of the world (and they weren't a small minority). I was proved wrong.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just to note, I have made a bet with Hunter should T^20 break 10,000 copies sold (this is double the average GURPS Traveller book print run). I'll gladly pay up in public should this occur.

Wally.

 

[Neo]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PinkSplice:
Just to note, I have made a bet with Hunter should T^20 break 10,000 copies sold (this is double the average GURPS Traveller book print run). I'll gladly pay up in public should this occur.

Wally.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I for one sincerely hope you have to pay him <g>

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Neo

"Et semel emissum volat ireevocabile verbum".