Leif Ericson Scoutship
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Patron Zero
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Andrew Boulton
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See and the Solomani are lazy too. Shiftless, lazy, bigoted, yep that's why we the Imperium must keep them in check.
Well, Andrew if you stopped eating and having a life, I bet you could get it done in no time...have you considered meth?
I already have no life!
I prefer this clip: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=p2HipedgM3I
Omg!
Rolling on the floor, laughing my @ss off!
Oh...deep breaths, that was awesome! Now to go and watch it again and again, god I wish I had a decent set of speakers and not just some plugged in headphones...still wow.
Rolling on the floor, laughing my @ss off!
Oh...deep breaths, that was awesome! Now to go and watch it again and again, god I wish I had a decent set of speakers and not just some plugged in headphones...still wow.
Patron Zero
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Deck Plan Update
As requested, numbered and identified compartments on the WIP LE Scoutship deck plan posted, again not the final version.
http://www.travellerrpg.com/CotI/Gallery/index.php?n=426
As requested, numbered and identified compartments on the WIP LE Scoutship deck plan posted, again not the final version.
http://www.travellerrpg.com/CotI/Gallery/index.php?n=426
Andrew Boulton
The Adminator
Just about finished:
For some reason the LE model calls to mind the 'Starfire' from a novel by Andre Norton. Perhaps it is the general shape or something. At any rate, I don't really see much of a problem using either the ship itself or its associated shuttle in a Traveller campaign. I kind of like them.
Shiara
Shiara
Patron Zero
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Just about finished:
Wow, that really looks great, outstanding job !
Patron Zero
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Strategic Space Command-Starship Modeler Discussion Forums
Purely by chance did I stumble across a huge area of the Starship Modeler's forums devoted to the Leif Ericson and the SSC, enjoy !
http://www.starshipmodeler.net/talk/viewforum.php?f=39
Purely by chance did I stumble across a huge area of the Starship Modeler's forums devoted to the Leif Ericson and the SSC, enjoy !
http://www.starshipmodeler.net/talk/viewforum.php?f=39
The Oz
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Just about finished:
Just beautiful, Andrew. I can't wait to see you put her in space.
Patron Zero
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Splitting Heirs
Just my nature but if so allowed to toss a monkey wrench out in the discussion regarding the LE Scoutship in Traveller.
Still tweaking out my version of the deck plan's to said craft and while doing such had an epiphany of a kind. What if there were two different versions of this unique design ?
I see the need and practicality of the Scoutship as an ATV-combat troop ferrying vessel but why not a compact sized-scaled down 'dedicated' scoutship version ?
Simply put, this would be a significantly smaller craft as seen depicted in the original AMT model's box art, specifically designed for recon or rescue missions.
I would suggest that the large outward 'bulges' of the forward hull be replaced with transparent blisters to further suggest the observation-fire control capacity of this small ship. That said, the smaller more agile version would make quite the nimble ground attack-ground support platform with a compliment of missiles or say a belly-mounted heavy weapon.
Picture Traveller's version of the 30mm GAU-8 Avenger rotary cannon found on real world A-10 Warthog aircraft giving the mosquito-light craft a serious sting .
To put such into a niche in Traveller perhaps the tinier variant might be classified as a 20 or 30 ton gig or ship's boat. It would make a nice escort for it's larger big brother when more eyes and teeth are so needed.
Just my nature but if so allowed to toss a monkey wrench out in the discussion regarding the LE Scoutship in Traveller.
Still tweaking out my version of the deck plan's to said craft and while doing such had an epiphany of a kind. What if there were two different versions of this unique design ?
I see the need and practicality of the Scoutship as an ATV-combat troop ferrying vessel but why not a compact sized-scaled down 'dedicated' scoutship version ?
Simply put, this would be a significantly smaller craft as seen depicted in the original AMT model's box art, specifically designed for recon or rescue missions.
I would suggest that the large outward 'bulges' of the forward hull be replaced with transparent blisters to further suggest the observation-fire control capacity of this small ship. That said, the smaller more agile version would make quite the nimble ground attack-ground support platform with a compliment of missiles or say a belly-mounted heavy weapon.
Picture Traveller's version of the 30mm GAU-8 Avenger rotary cannon found on real world A-10 Warthog aircraft giving the mosquito-light craft a serious sting .
To put such into a niche in Traveller perhaps the tinier variant might be classified as a 20 or 30 ton gig or ship's boat. It would make a nice escort for it's larger big brother when more eyes and teeth are so needed.
hvy fighter
Good job on your design Patron Zero.
My original thoughts based on the poster design we're along the lines of a hvy fighter. However, it doesn't fill the bay for a ship above 1500dt to meet the sizes suggested. This may be where the model and Traveller needs separate a bit more. The original scout fills the bay but set sideways 2 can squeeze in which for a 2k craft means 120kt give or take...
Here's the smaller variety.
2.5EP delivering 5 agility but what's an extra pea shooter or two when your parked.
SSC Scout Shuttle - Scout Class Scout Fighter Designed by: Admiral Savage Statistics: 50-ton Hull (Needle/Wedge) - Streamlined (airframe)
AC: 18 (18 vs. Meson Guns) AR: 2 (TL-12) SI: 85 Initiative: 5
Starship Size: Small Cost: 93.579 MCr (116.973 MCr without discount)
Model/6 (PP: 57/13) Computer Avionics: Less than 600-ton Sensors: Long Range Communications: Long Range
Cargo: 0.3-tons Extra Ship's Stores: 104 person/weeks of Standard Stores, Passengers:
Annual Maintenance = 9.358 KCr (4.679 KCr if routinely maintained)
Routine Maintenance = 2.339 KCr/Month (23.395 KCr per year) Performance: Jump-0 (enough fuel for )
Acceleration: 5-G Agility: 5
Power Plant: TL-12 Fusion (13 EP output, enough fuel for 2 weeks)
Fuel Scoops, Fuel Purification Plant (TL-12, 8hrs per 20 tons of fuel) Active Defenses: none Weapons: Hardpoints: 1
1x Triple Pulse Laser Turret TL-12, +2 To Hit, 2d10 (19/x2), Range: 45,000km
Ship's Vehicles: none Accomodations & Fittings: 2x Single Occupancy Small Cabin (2 People)
1x Airlock
Crew Details: 1x Pilot
1x Engineer
Description: Most familiar was the old Earth cruiser was the Lief Ericson an Explorer class and the General a Battle Cruiser. Both vessels carried the 50dt Scout Shuttle designed for airborn combat.
Good job on your design Patron Zero.
My original thoughts based on the poster design we're along the lines of a hvy fighter. However, it doesn't fill the bay for a ship above 1500dt to meet the sizes suggested. This may be where the model and Traveller needs separate a bit more. The original scout fills the bay but set sideways 2 can squeeze in which for a 2k craft means 120kt give or take...
Here's the smaller variety.
2.5EP delivering 5 agility but what's an extra pea shooter or two when your parked.
SSC Scout Shuttle - Scout Class Scout Fighter Designed by: Admiral Savage Statistics: 50-ton Hull (Needle/Wedge) - Streamlined (airframe)
AC: 18 (18 vs. Meson Guns) AR: 2 (TL-12) SI: 85 Initiative: 5
Starship Size: Small Cost: 93.579 MCr (116.973 MCr without discount)
Model/6 (PP: 57/13) Computer Avionics: Less than 600-ton Sensors: Long Range Communications: Long Range
Cargo: 0.3-tons Extra Ship's Stores: 104 person/weeks of Standard Stores, Passengers:
Annual Maintenance = 9.358 KCr (4.679 KCr if routinely maintained)
Routine Maintenance = 2.339 KCr/Month (23.395 KCr per year) Performance: Jump-0 (enough fuel for )
Acceleration: 5-G Agility: 5
Power Plant: TL-12 Fusion (13 EP output, enough fuel for 2 weeks)
Fuel Scoops, Fuel Purification Plant (TL-12, 8hrs per 20 tons of fuel) Active Defenses: none Weapons: Hardpoints: 1
1x Triple Pulse Laser Turret TL-12, +2 To Hit, 2d10 (19/x2), Range: 45,000km
Ship's Vehicles: none Accomodations & Fittings: 2x Single Occupancy Small Cabin (2 People)
1x Airlock
Crew Details: 1x Pilot
1x Engineer
Description: Most familiar was the old Earth cruiser was the Lief Ericson an Explorer class and the General a Battle Cruiser. Both vessels carried the 50dt Scout Shuttle designed for airborn combat.
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Patron Zero
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My sincere appreciation for the kind words, that said the deck plan for the 'larger' variety craft is still a WIP and subject to tweaks and tucks.
When I get a chance I'll try to get a rough layout for the small version posted, such depending on finding time to doodle a bit first.
Most impressive
Hi, I'm Nyrath. I'm the author of the main Leif Ericson website.
Yes, you guys have done a bang up job adapting the Leif to Traveller. I have a few notes that you can attend to or ignore as you please.
[1] All my size, mass, and volume calculations are based on the assumption that the Leif Ericson plastic model is 1/500 scale. We all got this figure from Frank Henriquez's estimate:
http://frank.bol.ucla.edu/le.html#kitscale
In other words, the scale estimate is based on the scratches on the hull meant to indicate the doors and windows. This means that if it makes the Leif too small or too large for a Traveller type of ship, you can go ahead and adjust the scale to whatever you want. Re-figure the number of decks and you are good to go.
[2] The original model kit had a variant, it included a "laser cannon" one could glue on the nose. You can see it here:
http://www.fantastic-plastic.com/LEIF ERICSON PAGE.htm
In other words, the military version had a spinal mount weapon. I was speculating on this here:
http://www.projectrho.com/SSC/interior.html
but that's just brainstorming on my part, it is no-way "official".
[3] Andrew Boulton, your Leif mesh is very nice! When you get some nice renders worked up, I would be happy to host them on my Leif site, along with the other CGI Leif Ericsons. I created my Leif mesh in the program Blender, using the high quality blueprints from Hungry Lizard Studios. I can export my mesh into OBJ format or some other format that 3DS Max can import, if it would help you.
My renders are here:
http://www.projectrho.com/portfolio/index.html
especially
http://www.projectrho.com/portfolio/port09.html
http://www.projectrho.com/portfolio/port10.html
http://www.projectrho.com/portfolio/port18.html
and here
http://www.projectrho.com/SSC/leifGallery/index.html
especially
http://www.projectrho.com/SSC/leifGallery/leifCGI14.html
http://www.projectrho.com/SSC/leifGallery/leifCGI18.html
http://www.projectrho.com/SSC/leifGallery/leifCGI19.html
http://www.projectrho.com/SSC/leifGallery/leifCGI25.html
http://www.projectrho.com/SSC/leifGallery/leifCGI28.html
http://www.projectrho.com/SSC/leifGallery/leifCGI29.html
Hi, I'm Nyrath. I'm the author of the main Leif Ericson website.
Yes, you guys have done a bang up job adapting the Leif to Traveller. I have a few notes that you can attend to or ignore as you please.
[1] All my size, mass, and volume calculations are based on the assumption that the Leif Ericson plastic model is 1/500 scale. We all got this figure from Frank Henriquez's estimate:
http://frank.bol.ucla.edu/le.html#kitscale
In other words, the scale estimate is based on the scratches on the hull meant to indicate the doors and windows. This means that if it makes the Leif too small or too large for a Traveller type of ship, you can go ahead and adjust the scale to whatever you want. Re-figure the number of decks and you are good to go.
[2] The original model kit had a variant, it included a "laser cannon" one could glue on the nose. You can see it here:
http://www.fantastic-plastic.com/LEIF ERICSON PAGE.htm
In other words, the military version had a spinal mount weapon. I was speculating on this here:
http://www.projectrho.com/SSC/interior.html
but that's just brainstorming on my part, it is no-way "official".
[3] Andrew Boulton, your Leif mesh is very nice! When you get some nice renders worked up, I would be happy to host them on my Leif site, along with the other CGI Leif Ericsons. I created my Leif mesh in the program Blender, using the high quality blueprints from Hungry Lizard Studios. I can export my mesh into OBJ format or some other format that 3DS Max can import, if it would help you.
My renders are here:
http://www.projectrho.com/portfolio/index.html
especially
http://www.projectrho.com/portfolio/port09.html
http://www.projectrho.com/portfolio/port10.html
http://www.projectrho.com/portfolio/port18.html
and here
http://www.projectrho.com/SSC/leifGallery/index.html
especially
http://www.projectrho.com/SSC/leifGallery/leifCGI14.html
http://www.projectrho.com/SSC/leifGallery/leifCGI18.html
http://www.projectrho.com/SSC/leifGallery/leifCGI19.html
http://www.projectrho.com/SSC/leifGallery/leifCGI25.html
http://www.projectrho.com/SSC/leifGallery/leifCGI28.html
http://www.projectrho.com/SSC/leifGallery/leifCGI29.html
True, the nose cone is a bit over the top. But the reason the Leif Ericson looks like a "Star Trek 60's ship" is because it was designed by Matt Jeffries, who designed the 60's Enterprise and Klingon Battle Cruiser.
AMT models was hoping to cash in on the Star Trek craze with their own line of Trek-like models set in a Trek-like universe that was hopefully different enough to avoid a lawsuit from Paramount Pictures.
Alas, the kit was a flop and the idea of a series of models was shelved.
Ironically nowadays Leif Ericson kits on eBay go for hundreds of dollars.
Another model company has promised to re-issue the kit. I can't wait!
Andrew Boulton
The Adminator
I'll try to get some decent renders done today or tomorrow. Feel free to use them on your site.
No rush, take your time.
Andrew Boulton
The Adminator
It was almost finished anyway.
