Non-standard Sized Staterooms

[robject]

From Safari Ship:

"standard format starship staterooms [are] designed to provide the maximum of utility at an efficient price in space and cost"

Bed folds up. Sanitation stuff fit into wall niches as well (how tricky that must be). Lots of little places for item storage.

etc etc

Safari Ship deckplans have two 2.5t rooms, six 3t rooms, a couple of tiny rooms for junior crew, and a 4.5t hunter's "suite". Standard is the ability to combine a smaller room with a larger one, producing an even larger room, so you can have combined staterooms from 5.5 to 7.5 tons. I imagine that means you could have starport techs tear out some of the extra plumbing.

That's for a ship that's on the low end of "luxury". Business class on a short liner won't be that roomy. And, even middle passage seems to be "business class without the pampered service". The economy seats are low berths.


I'd think that Arean Lines' J4 liners would have full 4t staterooms, combinable to a whopping 8t, especially if they carry governors, dignitaries, nobles, megacorporate VPs, etc.

 

[rancke]

Originally posted by robject:
That's for a ship that's on the low end of "luxury". Business class on a short liner won't be that roomy. And, even middle passage seems to be "business class without the pampered service". The economy seats are low berths.

That's because there's a type of passage missing from the rules. There's no provision for two passengers sharing a stateroom. Like several other parts of the CT 'standard and immutable rules for running starships' I find that extremely implausible.

(Bunkrooms with more than two passengers per 4 dT may be ruled out by life support considerations, but we know from the rules that double occupancy is within the capacity of standard life support).


Hans

 

[mbrinkhues]

GT has Bunkrooms with capacities up to 16 persons at GTL 12 (TTL 15) but normally "only fills them to 1/4 capacity due to crowding". Same size as a cabin IIRC but more massive.

 

[mike wightman]

The military have always been able to cram more people into a stateroom.

In High Guard a small stateroom/smallcraft cabin (2t) isn't that much different from the actual berthing area of a normal stateroom:

Staterooms require four tons at a cost of Cr500,000 per stateroom. Staterooms actually average about two tons, but the additional tonnage is used to provide corridors and access ways, as well as galley and recreation areas.

So by my twisting of the rules then up to quadruple occupancy of a normal stateroom should be possible

 

[BetterThanLife]

The King Richard had bigger than normal staterooms. (FASA, Action Aboard having the stats.)

 

[Fritz_Brown]

Sigg, I disagree - because those two people (normally) are either in the 2dT of the room, OR in the 2dT of corridor/galley/commons, not both. Anyone who IS in both at the same time is something you better deal with before jump exit....

 

[mike wightman]

Not explaining myself properly -

a 2dt stateroom can take double occupancy, High Guard and LBB2 say so, but it results in crew degredation with time (LBB2).

But in a big ship the crew can also spend time in all those extra community spaces (or even doing work )

So it makes sense that double occupancy works in a normal stateroom from a life support point of view.
But what if you are hot bunking the normal double occupancy stateroom?
Then you've got three to four crew using either the stateroom, the community facilities , the corridors, or they are at their workstations.

I penalise triple and quadruple occupancy.

 

[mike wightman]

I also use this rule when players try to carry more people in the cargo hold etc.
I think that the staterooms are also an abstraction for total life support, hence the most people I will allow on a ship is four times the number of normal staterooms.
Try to carry more than this and nasty things start to happen...

 

[aramis]

Since we have multiple tech-canon points to work from (GT isn't traveller ship-wise, it's GURPS Vehicles redressed to look similar to traveller), and ignoring T20 as it's based upon this pattern, we've got:

6Td: can be built as a triple occupancy SR. (MT-RM, page60)
4Td: can be single or double without penalty. (MT)
2Td: Can be single or double, without short term penalty (HG). DO only if spending half the time outside the stateroom (MT, implies DO is crew only) MT allows carrying passengers in SSR's by not mentioning otherwise.
1Td Bunk: MT and FF&S. Crew Only. (MT)
0.5Td HalfBunk: FF&S.

 

[Lochlaber]

In t-20, it does specifically allow for double occupancy in a single cabin but also places life support limits. I generally allow 1 person per cabin without problems with life support. Each additional person over that requires 1.25 times as much life support equipment upto 135% occupancy, 1.75 as much for upto 1.75 and 4x as much for anything over that, upto 2 weeks.

For a passenger requiring a larger than normal space, I either hook-up a specially built cabin in the pressurised cargo spaces or pull out a couple of normal cabins, which they also pay for.


As to how I see cabins, they are like modern liners. The passenger spends most of their time in the common areas and only a small amount of time in their cabin. Even crew would probably no more than 1/2 of their free time, not including sleep in their cabin, less if they share a cabin. Of course, once we land and unload, they are gone while the traders line up the cargo.

 

[mike wightman]

The 6dt triple occupancy stateroom was legalised in TCS.
I have a problem with allowing 2dt double occupancy cabins on large ships though.

2dt doesn't allow any for any corridors, common areas etc. A clever architect can do away with some corridor space, but the lack of common areas, galleys etc. should limit the ship duration.

 

[vegascat]

A simple corridor of standard sized SRs taking 2dT per room plus .5dT per SR leaving .5dT for extra facilities per SR.

S S S S S S S S S S
S S S S S S S S S S
C C C C C C C C C C
S S S S S S S S S S
S S S S S S S S S S

The space for extra amenities is not a problem unless you are wanting high luxury.

 

[mike wightman]

Roughly for every four staterooms you get one extra square to put into corridors or common area

By the way, that should be 1.5dT for extra facilities shouldn't it?

 

[Plankowner]

Regarding large cabins, I ALWAYS assumed that if 2 High Passengers wanted a single stateroom (husband and wife), that the rooms could be joined together similar to adjoining rooms in hotels. They would keep one room in the night configuration (bedroom) and one in the day configuration (sitting room).

 

[RandyT0001]

Originally posted by vegascat:
A simple corridor of standard sized SRs taking 2dT per room plus .5dT per SR leaving .5dT for extra facilities per SR.

S S S S S S S S S S
S S S S S S S S S S
C C C C C C C C C C
S S S S S S S S S S
S S S S S S S S S S

The space for extra amenities is not a problem unless you are wanting high luxury.

When I saw that layout I envisioned this:

S|S|S|S|S|
S|S|S|S|S|
C C C C C
S|S|S|S|S|
S|S|S|S|S|

And thought of this:
"Welcome aboard the SS Alcatraz Island. On the Alcatraz Island you will find our double occupancy, 1.83m by 2.44m by 3m, staterooms adaquate for sleeping. Each of our staterooms includes a toilet and basin for nighttime use. Communal showers are available. At 7AM a steward will unlock your doors and escort the block to the cafeteria for breakfast and 30 minutes later to the commom lounge where you may use deadweights to excersise or you may watch pre-programmed videos. At noon and at 6PM a steward will again escort you to the cafeteria for lunch and dinner. At 9PM you will be escorted back to the block for sleep and the doors locked for your protection. Remember-No birds allowed in the staterooms!"

 

[atpollard]

Originally posted by Sigg Oddra:
2dt doesn't allow any for any corridors, common areas etc. A clever architect can do away with some corridor space, but the lack of common areas, galleys etc. should limit the ship duration.

They have a 0.5 dTon room for passenger use only ... it is called a Low Berth.

 

[sgbrown]

Originally posted by Randy Tyler:
"Welcome aboard the SS Alcatraz Island. -clip-"

Just an off the wall observation - prison cells tend to be larger than typical naval submarine quarters.

 

[sgbrown]

Related question - IYTU, would you allow a ship with oversized staterooms to charge more that the standard Imperial rate for high passage?

 

[flykiller]

prison cells tend to be larger than typical naval submarine quarters.

yeah, but squids don't spend 24/7 in their pits. in 6 1/2 years aboard ship I averaged 4 1/2 hours sleep a night

 

[robject]

Originally posted by Plankowner:
Regarding large cabins, I ALWAYS assumed that if 2 High Passengers wanted a single stateroom (husband and wife), that the rooms could be joined together similar to adjoining rooms in hotels. They would keep one room in the night configuration (bedroom) and one in the day configuration (sitting room).

This makes sense to me.