Non-standard Sized Staterooms

[Fritz_Brown]

SGB - Yes. In a purely mechanical method, I would charge pro-rated to the size. Something 1.5x the standard size runs 1.5x Mid or High Passage (depending on what they pay for). I figure a triple size room, though is gonna seem even bigger than that, and you can probably use a geometric curve rather than a linear one.

Oh, and prison quarters (in some states, anyway) are larger than the alloted space in my AF Academy room - not counting the fact that many of us were three to a room, instead of 2!

American jail cells may not be the best standard for comparison.

 

[sgbrown]

Originally posted by Fritz88:
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Oh, and prison quarters (in some states, anyway) are larger than the alloted space in my AF Academy room - not counting the fact that many of us were three to a room, instead of 2!

American jail cells may not be the best standard for comparison.

Correct on both points - some jail cells are larger than the rooms we had at USMA as well - which dwarved the 9-man berth / sub accomodations I had the pleasure of spending three days in. And yes a modern US prison proably is not a good comparison.

 

[atpollard]

You ex-military types need to quit complaining about accommodations. Try driving to Canada in the trunk of a car to avoid an involuntary all expense paid trip to Southeast Asia.

Just Kidding.

 

[sinbadsam]

Hmm lets recall, in the area on board my ship, 12 sailors slept in the same area that US Federal Prisons were only allowed to have two prisoners.

 

[Lochlaber]

The way I see it, crew put up with a week of cramped hell in space for a week, then they get to spend at least a week in much more luxurious quarters and riotious living. My crews get as part of their pay, 1 week of decent hotel rooms and meals for every week they spend in space. If they want more, they have to pay for it from their own pockets. In fact, by paying their local bills with local credits from trade, I don't have to worry about monetary exchange as much.

For those that want bigger cabins, I will put it together but I will charge them for another passage.

 

[rancke]

Originally posted by SGB aka Newbee:
Related question - IYTU, would you allow a ship with oversized staterooms to charge more that the standard Imperial rate for high passage?

IMTU there is no standard Imperial rate for high passage. A passage costs a ship's expenses for the trip (including a reasonable profit) divided by the average number of passengers. So, yes, it would charge more for oversized staterooms (But, of course, about half that for a shared oversized stateroom).


Hans

 

[aramis]

Just for reference: several documentaries aired in the last week about current US max security prisons.

Some prisoners spending 23 hours a day in cell, 2 men to a 6'x8'(x8') cell. That's 384cu feet, or about 10.97 cubic meters. under a dton...

 

[atpollard]

Originally posted by Lochlaber:
The way I see it, crew put up with a week of cramped hell in space for a week, then they get to spend at least a week in much more luxurious quarters and riotious living. My crews get as part of their pay, 1 week of decent hotel rooms and meals for every week they spend in space.

My crew quarters tend to be more luxuriuous than a hotel room, but you will just have to wait til they publish the contest results to see it for yourself.

It is possible to lay out a nice room at 2 dTons and a tolerable crew room could probably be designed at only 1 dTon (think of an 8 foot camper or a college private dorm room. The key to livability is to minimize corridors and maximize the common spaces. At 4 dTons per person, a crew of 5 has 20 dTons of total living space - that could be 5 x 4 dTon rooms, or 5 x 2 dTon rooms and a 10 dTon common area, or or 5 x 1 dTon rooms and a 15 dTon common area.

Lowering the deck to deck height might allow 4 levels in the height of 3 normal levels (33% more floor space) but I never liked the low ceilings of most boats.

 

[sgbrown]

Originally posted by Aramis:
Just for reference: several documentaries aired in the last week about current US max security prisons.

Some prisoners spending 23 hours a day in cell, 2 men to a 6'x8'(x8') cell. That's 384cu feet, or about 10.97 cubic meters. under a dton...

Kind of chilling compared to the stats released many years back on the minimum security places. Guess there's a lot of variation between prisons. But the bottom line for all of them is no choice or privacy or trust - regardless of size, that just doesn't seem very pleasant. Guess I'll take my old military accommodations after all - thank you for the reminder!

Question for the board - assuming you don't just throw them in a low berth, what size would you make a brig?


Steve B (AKA Newbee)

 

[sgbrown]

Originally posted by atpollard:
My crew quarters tend to be more luxuriuous than a hotel room, but you will just have to wait til they publish the contest results to see it for yourself.

It is possible to lay out a nice room at 2 dTons and a tolerable crew room could probably be designed at only 1 dTon (think of an 8 foot camper or a college private dorm room. The key to livability is to minimize corridors and maximize the common spaces. -clip-

Two other points for livability - accessories/appointments and having a job.
1) Accessories / Appointments - A small space that is nicely furnished with entertainment and excercise options is more livable than the same space without those options or the nice furnishings.
2) As was pointed out in an earlier post, most of the crews time is NOT spent in quarters - it's working on various items throughout the ship. As a result the space taken by a crew stateroom can be less than a passenger stateroom without impacting livability.

 

[atpollard]

Originally posted by SGB - Steve B:
Question for the board - assuming you don't just throw them in a low berth, what size would you make a brig?

That depends, how big is the air lock?
"You are free to escape if that is what you really want, but I would advise against it."

 

[Arthur Denger]

Originally posted by atpollard:
You ex-military types need to quit complaining about accommodations. Try driving to Canada in the trunk of a car to avoid an involuntary all expense paid trip to Southeast Asia.

That raises the question of stowaways. Assuming the cargo hold of the ship has not been evacuated (of atmo), how do you commercial types deal with the stowaway, and IYTU how rampant is the problem?

 

[sinbadsam]

Originally posted by atpollard:
You ex-military types need to quit complaining about accommodations. Try driving to Canada in the trunk of a car to avoid an involuntary all expense paid trip to Southeast Asia.

Just Kidding.

Bahh, I worked with a gentleman, who came here to the USA from the UK(Scotland). He was trying to avoid being drafted by the UK.

Guess what, he got drafted by the US, due in part to an old "Treaty" between the UK and the USA.

Lets say he has some interesting words for that too.

Yes he went to VN, also, was a plumber on aircraft that sprayed Agent Orange.

 

[flykiller]

assuming you don't just throw them in a low berth, what size would you make a brig?

1 dton / 100 crew, 2 dtons minimum, 10 dtons max. no particular reason, just seems reasonable.

 

[Fritz_Brown]

Sinbad - Ouch! (Poetic justice, though.)

Arthur - stowaways are dealt with in the time-honored fashion: the option of working passage or a long walk out a short airlock.