Not to mention, when some airmen wangled orders to go TAD to the Blue Ridge for our Southern Swing "deployment" (it might be called one, bit ain't really a deployment if it's less than 6 months!), they complained endlessly about our berthings. We understood, to a point, till we found out they were getting $100/day per diem for the sub-standard housing!
Random speculations on the 4dT/2dT living space.
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Fritz_Brown
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Hey now! I was Air Force, and I had more sea time than some Navy guys!
(I also spent 3 1/2 years riding Navy ships as a contractor - bunking everywhere from the 30-man berth to Chief's quarters to company- and field-grade officers' quarters - which ain't all that and a bag of chips, especially when they're right under the hydraulics for the blast panel on a carrier.)
There is a LOT of the ship devoted to "life support" that isn't included in the berthing spaces and the mess decks. On a submarine, it's even worse. A goodly chunk of the interior is devoted to simply keeping the crew alive at depth.
Heh, yea, just messin' with you.
But yea, totally agree. Military personnel put up with living conditions that civilians wouldn't make hardened criminals live in...
On that note, some of the barracks that I lived in while in the Navy had bunks made by a company that supplied beds to prisons. We joked about that a lot...
Hi,
As others have noted on newer ships accommodation requirements are changing. Specifically (if I am recalling correctly) on the USN's Littoral Combat Ship (LCS) and USCG's National Security Cutter (NSC) the original plans (at least) were an accommodation requirements termed 1-2-4, where senior officers were to be accommodated in single person staterooms, junior officers in 2-person staterooms, and all other in 4 person staterooms, although I believe that in practice some variation actually occurred (with some 6-person staterooms etc).
I believe that such accommodations were proposed as a means of trying to help in the retention of the highly skilled technicians that newer and newer vessels are beginning to require, as having to train new crew members all the time (as service members put in their service time then retire) is a drain on service resources. As such, it wouldn't at all surprise me that in the future, an even greater space allowance might exist.
As others have noted on newer ships accommodation requirements are changing. Specifically (if I am recalling correctly) on the USN's Littoral Combat Ship (LCS) and USCG's National Security Cutter (NSC) the original plans (at least) were an accommodation requirements termed 1-2-4, where senior officers were to be accommodated in single person staterooms, junior officers in 2-person staterooms, and all other in 4 person staterooms, although I believe that in practice some variation actually occurred (with some 6-person staterooms etc).
I believe that such accommodations were proposed as a means of trying to help in the retention of the highly skilled technicians that newer and newer vessels are beginning to require, as having to train new crew members all the time (as service members put in their service time then retire) is a drain on service resources. As such, it wouldn't at all surprise me that in the future, an even greater space allowance might exist.
Unicor is still the mandated supplier...
Those ships are way overbudget and plagued with problems, and the fiscal cliff looms. I expect the navy to blame those quality of life improvements for part of it and backpedal on them. They're also starting to realize they drastically underestimated crew requirements. The L-shaped sit-up racks might stay, although only a few ships have them so far.
Also, I know future sci-fi tends to go the direction the navy is hesitantly starting towards, but my comments were geared more towards showing that large staterooms aren't that necessary, and can be dispensed with, permitting more flexibility in design.
The cruise liners wouldn't, but adventure-class starships (anything a PC might afford a mortgage on) and military, some merchant ships, and others might save space and money on quarters this way.
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Timerover51
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I measured the following dimensions off of some accurate general arrangement drawing I have of a US Coast Guard 180 foot buoy tender, designed just prior to World War 2, and given a major refit in the 1980s. The vessel was carried a 50 to 60 person crew.
Galley: Fore and Aft, 15.5 feet
Abeam, 15 feet
Crew Mess: Fore and Aft, 22 feet
Abeam, 10 feet
CPO Mess: Fore and Aft, 14 feet
Abeam, 8 feet
Wardroom: Fore and Aft, 17.5 feet
Abeam, forward 17.5 feet
Abeam, aft 15.5 feet
Galley: Fore and Aft, 15.5 feet
Abeam, 15 feet
Crew Mess: Fore and Aft, 22 feet
Abeam, 10 feet
CPO Mess: Fore and Aft, 14 feet
Abeam, 8 feet
Wardroom: Fore and Aft, 17.5 feet
Abeam, forward 17.5 feet
Abeam, aft 15.5 feet
