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Standard Sized Staterooms

Err, we really deal with toilet design in Traveller now, do we ?
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well, traveller is the "realistic" rpg. every now and again some of us will get to looking at those cabin deckplans and wonder, "is that really possible?", and figure it out.

besides, if one of your players announces, "I flush the evidence down the starship toilet" - now you can tell him whether or not he is successful.
 
besides, if one of your players announces, "I flush the evidence down the starship toilet" - now you can tell him whether or not he is successful.
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And after discussing this we have a better feild of options.

- Wet storage
Waste is stored in an unprocessed state. Removed as part of berthing fees.
- Dry storage
Waste is partially/totally processed. Generally by dehydration or heating. Better for longer term travel for health risk reasons.

-Distributed
Each stateroom has its own waste holding/treatment mechanism
-Central
Each stateroom pipes waste to a central holding/processing facility

-Chemical
A small ammount of chemical material is used to neutralise and mask wastes. Often goes with wet storage
-Water
Flushing toilets, somewhat wasteful for wet storage. Water may be sourced from grey water or white water storage (again can be central or distributed).

Now that incriminating evidence might end up at a bunch of locations depending on GM fiat.



Talking about train cabins, I've found some 3d virtual tours of cabin, stateroom, and double staterooms (TL8 rail guided wheeled vehicle).
http://www.gsr.com.au/our-trains/indian-pacific/gold-kangaroo-service.php
 
Originally posted by flykiller:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />I am tired of having you and Aramis attempt to imply I am some kind of pervert.
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we didn't.

speaking strictly for myself, I didn't. </font>[/QUOTE]Speaking of needing to be flushed.

In all seriousness though The plumbing and water supplies all fall under lifesupport, so needs to, if we are strictly counting, be counted as part of the 4 tons per stateroom.
 
Ah ha! Just think what can the TL-15 toilet can do! Reading material holographicly projected into thin air. Gravitic cushioning so you never have to put cheek to rim. Gravitivc guidance so the, wastes disappear at a 2G acceleration. Just think of the possibilities!
 
BTL: the bow length is probably about 50cm, and the pivot is 7cm down from the top height of 45cm (about 1.5 feet). This puts the top at 0.9m The sink would probably be at about 120-140 cm up the wall, and extend/fold in the same manner (and with interchangeable parts aside from the bowl.

Either could be purchased in variable heights.

The door I'm proposing is comprised of slats in a flexible substrate.

It retracts on to a roller. It works exactly like a roll top desk or a storefront security grill; in either case, turn it sideways, and make it water-tight. The track is floor and ceiling (inset into each), and a catch would secure it. It could EASILY be a motorized system, as well.

BTW: The showerhead, for 0-G safety, needs an air-purge system; said system doubles as a hair-dryer. A vacuum hose would probably also be available. Both hoses would probably secure in tracks in the two corners that open outside. I'd put the water on the retractor side...

I'd love to see this in three-D... but I'm not skilled in that.

It's worable, but tight.
 
One other reason for a folding bowl: You can have a safety on a laser spot-cleaner/stuck-chunk cutter that can only open if the bowl is completely closed; even the vapors resultant can be caught, kept contained, and vacuum removed.

BTW, I'm not opposed to good looking (even top-heavy) bods in the pics... but keep them clean, and avoid suggesting touching (self or others).
 
Originally posted by Kurega Gikur:
Ah ha! Just think what can the TL-15 toilet can do! Reading material holographicly projected into thin air. Gravitic cushioning so you never have to put cheek to rim. Gravitivc guidance so the, wastes disappear at a 2G acceleration. Just think of the possibilities!
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Just think of the possibilities indeed! Reminds of the time my wife went of a business trip to Korea and had a very long and often heated negotiation meeting at the premises of a large and well known Korean company. She had to use the 'fresher' and after she was done, turned to consider how to operate the flush (she described the toilet controls as akin to those on the starship enterprise - of course all labelled in Korean). She settled on a button with a swirly icon on it. When she pressed it, a small rod shot out into the bowl and proceeded to blast a jet of water upwards so strongly it hit the ceiling, and thoroughly soaked my wife. Mortified, the Korean rep who was waiting outside grabbed another 5 females who spent the next 10 minutes dabbing her with paper towels.

When she got back to the meeting everyone cracked up laughing, which went a long way to breaking the distrust and a deal being arrived at. Ever since then visitors to the buildings are given instructions as to how to use the loos.

Ravs
 
Originally posted by Aramis:
BTL: the bow length is probably about 50cm, and the pivot is 7cm down from the top height of 45cm (about 1.5 feet). This puts the top at 0.9m The sink would probably be at about 120-140 cm up the wall, and extend/fold in the same manner (and with interchangeable parts aside from the bowl.

Either could be purchased in variable heights.

The door I'm proposing is comprised of slats in a flexible substrate.

It retracts on to a roller. It works exactly like a roll top desk or a storefront security grill; in either case, turn it sideways, and make it water-tight. The track is floor and ceiling (inset into each), and a catch would secure it. It could EASILY be a motorized system, as well.

BTW: The showerhead, for 0-G safety, needs an air-purge system; said system doubles as a hair-dryer. A vacuum hose would probably also be available. Both hoses would probably secure in tracks in the two corners that open outside. I'd put the water on the retractor side...

I'd love to see this in three-D... but I'm not skilled in that.

It's worable, but tight.
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The door is less of an issue than the heights. It looks tight but might just fit.
It would primarily depend on the actual location of the sink drain. Though it should be workable.

I think I would prefer them not stacked. For the simple reason in that it would be more convienent for the person to use. I spent too many years in the restaurant industry, hand washing is too important, from a health safety point of view, that it has to be absolutely convenient, especially in a closed environment like a Starship. Besides you know the age old argument of men never putting the seat down, conversely women never put the lid down. People are lazy, they won't tend to fold things up. Now if you don't stack them, but put buttons on the access door that were for what purpose you were using the fresher and the toilet and sink were automatically lowered on one button, the laundry facilities were set up on a second button and the shower readied for the third. (Maintenance for the fourth.) With everything folding up when you leave the fresher, that would in a practical sense work better.

As for her touching herself. The only touching going on there is incidental to her taking off her shirt. The shirt and the pose come from Rednerosity and is located here. You can see the pose from a different angle on both the front page and on sample image 3. Because of adjustments needed to the pose due to the size of the situation here, I can't turn her around, however in wusamah's pose for the other shirt that comes with the set, there is no nudity though there is some skin showing.
 
Originally posted by flykiller:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />I am tired of having you and Aramis attempt to imply I am some kind of pervert.
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we didn't.

speaking strictly for myself, I didn't. </font>[/QUOTE]Neither did I. I did, however, plainly state that the model touching her exposed breast exceeded what I consider the bounds of good taste.

Now, BTL, your (over-)reaction to the complaints would tend to indicate that YOU are worried about it. Nothing perverse about good looking dames even undressed. Just nothing appropriate in this forum for them to be scantily clad.

(And to be honest, I read XXXenophile and Omaha...)

Edit: Added direction to latter part.
 
Just please don't go deleting this topic as you're leaving BTL. If that means you're leaving. And if you notice this of course. I only ask since I noticed a new topic you posted earlier today is gone and I worry about a repeat of a certain episode with another poster where much great discussion was lost when he had the bright idea to delete all the topics he had started when he left the site.

I have to say your parting remark (if it is) is rather insulting to everyone who has participated in this thread and even those who paticipate on site in general. Seems a bit uncharacteristic of you, maybe it's just a bad day.
 
I just came across this thread. To add to the great folding toilet debate I'll toss this in. They make them and the systems are designed for heavy use(pun intended). Ithe intended design is for for patient care, ICU facilities and such.

Here are a couple of links with pdf cut sheets and AutoCad files.
http://bradleycorp.com/prodinfo/fixtures/patcare/lc700.htm
and this one while not folding has the sink above
and behind the toilet.

http://bradleycorp.com/prodinfo/fixtures/patcare/lc500.htm

For those that are information gluttons on toilets, sinks, showers and more go to Bradleycorp.com, Bobrick.com, americanstandard-us.com, elkay.com

In fact the Bradley had a van with all sorts of plumbing fixtures at our office last week. Even got to sit on the fold out toilet.

LAN
 
Originally posted by BetterThanLife:
Well I have been fighting with it most of this evening. I finally got a 3m x 4.5m Stateroom to work. If you stick a bathroom in there it is tight. I compromised by walling off the Toilet and Sink but put the Shower seperate in the room. You can save a little space by removing the wall around the toilet, and there are some schools of thought that either fold them into the wall or drop them into the floor and use a Privacy Screen or Curtain.

The 3 meter by 3 meter stateroom with a private bathroom doesn't really work at all. Though, if you lose .5m along one side and pair your rooms then there is sufficient room in both staterooms if they share a bathroom. (I'll build that and render it tomorrow.)

In the mean time... One 3mx4.5m Stateroom. (The door fits equally well in the center of the side through which we are looking.) Oh and our young lady is back and relaxing while the ship is comfortable and safe in Jump space.



Any comments or suggestions?
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Yeah. I can't see the picture!
 
The image tag got removed from message #1, and I suspect BTL's others, tho' I've only checked page 1.

He mistakenly assumed that "inappropriate for here" = "made by pervert"

When it comes to perverse, nothin' perverse about any of the pics he posted.

When his misconception was challenged (subsequent to his accusation against myself and flykiller of accusing him of being a pervert) he made further baseless assertions, and apparently left in a huff.

Further, several people have challenged his conceptions of what is and how to lay-out an in-room fresher. Stole his thunder.

Now, if it were Sgt Taura, that might have come close to being perverse, but not terribly so. (Bujold Ref...)
 
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