mike wightman
SOC-14 10K
If you have Supplement 4: Citizens of the Imperium then Soc 10+ gets you into the Noble career if you opt for it.
Actually, I am less cosmopolitan than that. I just work at an Architecture-Engineering-Land Planning company that employs people from various countries (Architects and Engineers) and have dealt with thousands of Reviewers over 35 years of commercial permitting. It was just a personal observation that individuals from a Hindi background tended to be more "letter of the rules" and "follow the checklist" whether it applies in a particular situation or not, compared to people from other backgrounds (including other 'not like me' backgrounds). I genuinely do believe that it is a cultural trait [per my Cultural Anthropology education] ... it may be part of their "volksgeist", just as our "nobody is going to tell me what to do" individualism is part of the American "volksgeist".As @atpollard cites, it's an accusation being leveled against the (asian subcontinent) Indians (of a Hindi persuasion) by incumbent interests that don't want the competition. It's also an accusation that has been directed towards MANY nations around the Pacific Rim (no need to enumerate them all) as well as almost the entire African continent and the people from there (I wonder why ...).
I prefer Int as CPU and Edu as storage/database but LBB8 twisted me that way.Many an Oxford classics graduate can recite Homer in its original Greek but have no common sense or ability to reason.
Int is reasoning, original thought,problem solving, critical thinking
Education is memory, retained knowledge and training.
A highly educated physicist may be able to solve field equations, but will never have an original theory.
So, on a serious note and hopefully stepping away from the line, Int 1 (or any value) Soc 12 is pretty much the definition of Nobility in Traveller, with all attendant perks. In MgT1, you qualify for the Nobility career automatically, I dunno what CT does for nobles.
The classic version of this is "Polish jokes". Problem for Poland is that it's stuck in between a few powerful countries and doesn't have much by way of naturally defensible borders -- so it tended throughout history to get overrun from one or the other direction, with the language changing to reflect the latest interlopers. So, Poles tended to be multilingual.To be excessively fair to historical precedents, this particular "accusation" has been deployed and used REPEATEDLY against what we shall respectfully call foreigners who don't look or sound like us.![]()
Also the ability to use it, though I take it that it's mainly the ability to use it in conventional ways, and to retain information about how to do something, etc.That may be more mannerisms and polish, which may relate, in our case, to Social Standing.
Education implies retention of information.
Supplement 4: Citizens of the Imperium, says nobles are "Individuals of the upper classes who perform little consistent function, but often have large amounts of ready money." The career is only open to those with Soc 10+, and they get in automatically if they want it. Survival is 3+, with no mods, re-enlistment is 4+, so staying as long as you like is fairly easy. Position is 5+, with a bonus for EDU 9+, so getting a knighthood and Soc B is pretty easy. Promotion is 12+, with a +1 for Int 10+, so advancement is hard.I dunno what CT does for nobles.
In CT, those with Soc A can auto entry in the noble career (in Sup 4). Or get bonuses to Navy Comission, Marine [officer] Promotion, Diplomat Entrance and Promotion, Bureaucrat Position; Penalties to Pirate enlistment, Rogue Enlistment.So, on a serious note and hopefully stepping away from the line, Int 1 (or any value) Soc 12 is pretty much the definition of Nobility in Traveller, with all attendant perks. In MgT1, you qualify for the Nobility career automatically, I dunno what CT does for nobles.
Not so in my experience. There was a smallish Polish diaspora at the start of the war and many settled in the north east of england. Their descendents are still here now and as geordie as the rest of us. Following Bliar's opening of the borders to unlimited EU migration there was a wave of Romanian and Polish.The classic version of this is "Polish jokes". Problem for Poland is that it's stuck in between a few powerful countries and doesn't have much by way of naturally defensible borders -- so it tended throughout history to get overrun from one or the other direction, with the language changing to reflect the latest interlopers. So, Poles tended to be multilingual.
Now, have them emigrate to the UK and US, where they now have to learn English also. These new immigrants seem not all that fluent in English, so they're seen as intellectually inferior. But that's because English is their second, third, perhaps even fourth language....
Being "not so" was precisely my point. The (false) stereotype began with (mistakenly) using English proficiency as the sole proxy for intelligence, disregarding fluency in languages other than English (and likely multiple languages, to boot).Not so in my experience.
Big issues too with SOC levels being unrecognized across cultures/species/governments.Being "not so" was precisely my point. The (false) stereotype began with (mistakenly) using English proficiency as the sole proxy for intelligence, disregarding fluency in languages other than English (and likely multiple languages, to boot).
The point being that Polish immigrants were likely better educated (at least in number of languages spoken) than the host nations' populaces, but the natives couldn't tell -- and wouldn't have wanted to know anyhow.
I have to admit that I was uncomfortable with a Steward/Security mix before, but after seeing this awesome mention from Girls of the Wilds, I can't help but think that passengers will never know if their Steward is just a Steward or a Steward/Security. Plus it would make for some interesting Character development.Found another interesting tidbit in CT. Presuming "Marines", as a crew position, ship's defense force on a civilian ship, rate the same pay as Gunners, and using the 'One person to fill two crew positions' option in LBB2 (75% of both salaries, min skills Steward-1, Gun Combat-2), you can have your Stewards pulling double-duty as Marines for no actual difference in pay (3000*.75+1000*.75=3000). But passengers with an idea about trying piracy might think twice if these were their Stewards.
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(Pics are from Girls of the Wilds webcomic, not related to space travel at all. Just related to armed butlers.)
A Steward is already doing that, but a Steward/Security has more training/options when dealing with problem passengers.It's an excuse to keep an eye on, and snoop on the passengers.
Steward-0 = Cr3000 per 4 weeksFound another interesting tidbit in CT. Presuming "Marines", as a crew position, ship's defense force on a civilian ship, rate the same pay as Gunners, and using the 'One person to fill two crew positions' option in LBB2 (75% of both salaries, min skills Steward-1, Gun Combat-2), you can have your Stewards pulling double-duty as Marines for no actual difference in pay (3000*.75+1000*.75=3000).
Not ... exactly ...you can have your Stewards pulling double-duty as Marines for no actual difference in pay
The thing about filling two positions is you fill the position at your skill -1, so I wasn't thinking you'd get credit for higher skill in your pay scale. This way does seem a bit less unfair to the actual people, though, since they are coverting two jobs.Steward-0 = Cr3000 per 4 weeks
Gun Combat-1 = Cr1000 per 4 weeks
However, in order to qualify for both positions at -1 to the skill(s) involved, you need to increase the skill levels required ... which then increases the crew salary.
Steward/Security = Steward-1/Gun Combat-2 = ((3000*1.1)+(1000*1.1))*0.75 = Cr3300 per 4 weeks
If your purser (+10% salary) is also pulling double duty as security while leading the department with other stewards in it ...
Steward (purser)/Security = Steward-1/Gun Combat-2 = ((3000*1.2)+(1000*1.1))*0.75 = Cr3525 per 4 weeks
Not ... exactly ...
However, Steward/Security DOES make for a compelling case of 2 crew positions for 1 person when deciding crew requirements.![]()
It's also more likely to get job applicants. Paying Cr3000/month for someone and asking them to do double roles, when they could command Cr3300/month just being a Steward seems unlikely to make for a popular job position. In fact, even though the rules say you can pay them Cr3300/month for doing that double role, I think you'd probably be wanting to pay them a bit more - say another Cr100 or so a month.The thing about filling two positions is you fill the position at your skill -1, so I wasn't thinking you'd get credit for higher skill in your pay scale. This way does seem a bit less unfair to the actual people, though, since they are coverting two jobs.