Standard Sized Staterooms

[BetterThanLife]

Well I have been fighting with it most of this evening. I finally got a 3m x 4.5m Stateroom to work. If you stick a bathroom in there it is tight. I compromised by walling off the Toilet and Sink but put the Shower seperate in the room. You can save a little space by removing the wall around the toilet, and there are some schools of thought that either fold them into the wall or drop them into the floor and use a Privacy Screen or Curtain.

The 3 meter by 3 meter stateroom with a private bathroom doesn't really work at all. Though, if you lose .5m along one side and pair your rooms then there is sufficient room in both staterooms if they share a bathroom. (I'll build that and render it tomorrow.)

In the mean time... One 3mx4.5m Stateroom. (The door fits equally well in the center of the side through which we are looking.) Oh and our young lady is back and relaxing while the ship is comfortable and safe in Jump space.



Any comments or suggestions?

 

[RandyT0001]

Looks like she needs a massage to help her relax and forget about work. She definately needs some soft cushions on that chair for her stressed back and buxom buttocks. I'll volunteer to do the massage but you'll have to add the cushions.

Oh, the room? Yeah,....the room. Oh, uh, let me look at it.

Ok, the room. The back of the chair looks strange. At first I thought it was bicycle rack placed between the shower and bath. What is the black box next to her feet, (nice sandals) a PC tower? Wouldn't there be a terminal interface with the ship's main computer instead? I'm curious as to how you would fit a double sized bed in a similar room for passenger use?

I might think of more things once my head clears a bit more. Anyway, I'll be in my bunk for awhile.

 

[aramis]

Looks a bit too open. I don't think we'd actually see the free-sitting chair.

The PC on the floor is bad; I'd expect there to be a terminal, not a freestanding CPU with separate monitor.

 

[far-trader]

So my layout for standard 3m x 3m staterooms doesn't work? That's a rhetorical, I'm pretty sure they do. Check this thread here...

Standard Stateroom

But hey, whatever, Traveller has always had messed up deckplans with too large deckplans such as 3ton staterooms plus all kinds of common space.

Which wouldn't bug me a bit if the powers that be would just fess up and say design tons are weight/mass NOT volume. Then my cargo bay can be as big as I want to draw it but it can only carry 10tons of cargo. That might be one 3m square crate of metals weighing 10tons or it micht be 10 such crates filled with fabrics and still weighing 10tons.

But as long as the rulse insist that design tons are dtons then that's what should be shown I figure. Otherwise it's not Science Fiction it's Fantasy

 

[Lochlaber]

I have a few suggestions. First, all furniture would be built into the walls except for the chair(s). I would imagine that the interior, non-laod bearing walls of a spaceship are no more solid metal, than similar walls of a house. Similarily, all electronics, except for a keypad, could also be built in as well. Using a wireless keyboard, you could easily sit either at the table or the bed and work, play, etc.. Even without being built in, the furniture should be able to fold to the wall, just to create the illusion of more room.
Also, the room seems well over 6' tall but I couldn't get a good idea of the height of the model vs the height of the room. The overhead shouldn't be more than 6' or 2" over the average member of the species building the room. Any recovered cubage could be used to extend the room, provide life support.
As far as the room having 2 beds in it, this could be a crew cabin. If the two beds fold against the wall, you could easily explain the extra bed as insurance or for those rare persons willing to share passage. If only 1 person occupys the cabin, the extra bed is secured into/against the wall. You could also lose the second bed and use it's space against the wall to install an even larger bed, also folding against the wall until needed.

Honestly, when designing a cabin, I take into consideration if it is a crew or passenger cabin. Passenger cabins are actually smaller since they usually occupied by only 1 person, while most crew cabins are occupied by 2. The extra room is used to create various lounges, etc. for the passenger to spend their free time in, rather than in their room.

 

[BetterThanLife]

OK. The computer is a terminal with a local storage capability. You can build the keyboard and mouse, interface into the desk or do away with it all together. Interior, non-bulkhead walls are easily removed and moved around, so the furniture will likely actually have to be freestanding or secured to a bulkhead. (Floor or ceiling.) I am not really happy with the chair myself, but it fits the decor better than most of the other desk chairs I have.

I suppose you could do a desk with a fold out stool, but that is never all that comfortable.

The Keyboard and mouse, and monitors are all wireless as is the local storeage unit. Oh and why would you not want stand alone units in your staterooms? Would you want passengers to have access to your ship's main computer? What is a better firewall than no connection? After you can't hack a connection that doesn't exist.

Double beds for a passenger stateroom, possible but not recommended. Have you ever tried to put a double bed in a 3m x 3m room? My apartment is pretty small, my bedrooms run approximately 3m x 3.25m each. My king sized waterbed fits, barely, and only if it is placed right. There isn't much room on each side of it.

 

[BetterThanLife]

Originally posted by far-trader:
So my layout for standard 3m x 3m staterooms doesn't work? That's a rhetorical, I'm pretty sure they do. Check this thread here...

Standard Stateroom

But hey, whatever, Traveller has always had messed up deckplans with too large deckplans such as 3ton staterooms plus all kinds of common space.

Which wouldn't bug me a bit if the powers that be would just fess up and say design tons are weight/mass NOT volume. Then my cargo bay can be as big as I want to draw it but it can only carry 10tons of cargo. That might be one 3m square crate of metals weighing 10tons or it micht be 10 such crates filled with fabrics and still weighing 10tons.

But as long as the rulse insist that design tons are dtons then that's what should be shown I figure. Otherwise it's not Science Fiction it's Fantasy

I know, I have seen top view deckplans where the standard is 3m by 3m. And if you combine the shower/Toilet/Sink/ then perhaps it will work, but how do you get things out of the way?

Non-bulkhead walls are little more than privacy partitions. Non-bulkhead walls are not going to have everything built in. Plumbing and electricity will primarily have to be ceiling and floor. This means that your Bathroom will have to be a free standing unit. Granted it might be a free standing unit with only one solid wall on it. It will also only have a limited number of places to plug in, but since the interior walls are not truly fixed, there will be more places to plug it in than are actually used. Of course this changes if you are not using water, but you are still going to have to plug it in someplace, and that is still more likely to be floor or ceiling.

 

[Pickles]

My god, look at the size of her ... monitor! Excuse my drool, but that's got to be at least 28".

I tend to agree with Far Tader as regards stateroom sizes - they strike me as generous, to say the least. Let's see, 3m by 4.5m, that's about 150 square feet, right? They've got flats here which are smaller than that.

I do think fittings should be quite modular and collapsible, not necessarily into a wall. A bunk could easily have a pull-out section to convert it into a double, for example, or it could fold up and convert into a desk or table. I'm sure a clever furniture-designer could come up with a comfy fold-out computer chair, too. I wouldn't feel safe with loose furniture about a ship.

As for the computer, even if it's a stand-alone model, it would look better (read 'more sci-fi')affixed to the wall or desk or something. And it looks a bit big for TL9 (ok, maybe not in Traveller). Even if you don't want to expose your ship's systems to hacking, you could always have passenger terminals which only go to a passenger mainframe. I dunno, that's just how I see things in Traveller.

Anyway, nice work, there, and not just because of the occupant. But, yeah, nice sandals.

 

[BetterThanLife]

Originally posted by the Bromgrev:
My god, look at the size of her ... monitor! Excuse my drool, but that's got to be at least 28".

I tend to agree with Far Tader as regards stateroom sizes - they strike me as generous, to say the least. Let's see, 3m by 4.5m, that's about 150 square feet, right? They've got flats here which are smaller than that.

I do think fittings should be quite modular and collapsible, not necessarily into a wall. A bunk could easily have a pull-out section to convert it into a double, for example, or it could fold up and convert into a desk or table. I'm sure a clever furniture-designer could come up with a comfy fold-out computer chair, too. I wouldn't feel safe with loose furniture about a ship.

As for the computer, even if it's a stand-alone model, it would look better (read 'more sci-fi')affixed to the wall or desk or something. And it looks a bit big for TL9 (ok, maybe not in Traveller). Even if you don't want to expose your ship's systems to hacking, you could always have passenger terminals which only go to a passenger mainframe. I dunno, that's just how I see things in Traveller.

Anyway, nice work, there, and not just because of the occupant. But, yeah, nice sandals.

Actually I believe that is a pair of 21's (Monitors that is.

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I do have a couple of other options for stateroom terminals, but they just looked cool.

Like my Vargr NPC in my campaign, she isn't anatomically canon, but she looks better than any other option I could come up with for a Female Vargr.

 

[BetterThanLife]

I appologize. After fighting it for a while, I pulled the shower, (assume that the showerhead is in the bathroom ceiling the drain is in the floor and don't have a seperate shower and I can make the 3m x 3m Stateroom work. But it is definitely a tight fit and you aren't going to want to spend much time there. Well that might depend on the company.

 

[jfetters]

Very well done, BTL. That is pretty much how I envisioned most staterooms.

But I have to say, I liked the Daisy Dukes better.

 

[BetterThanLife]

It is definitely still tight. But at least it all fits. Now where does all that gear that Adventurers seem to want to accumulate and keep with them get stored. (Especially if they are sharing staterooms.) There is the obligatory 3 sets of armor, at least one Vacsuit, minimum of one set of cold weather and desert wear, some personal firearms that aren't getting stored in the Ship's Locker, and that is per person.

As for the Daisy Dukes, well I still have to tackle a couple of standard Bridges and standard common areas, she is likely to return.

 

[BetterThanLife]

An Aslan, Sydite and a Ursa are going to have real difficulties with the standard sizes. Virushi are going to be limited to the Cargo Bay, if they will even fit there. Remember that Sydites and Aslan are still considered Size M but they are not going to be comfortable.

 

[sid6.7]

okay i hate to say it but you just have to stop
doing this i'm old and my heart is fragile and
i'm gonna have a heart attack sooner or later...

anwho it does seem a little more spacious
then i thought it would be but then its not
THAT big really...we also have to remember
that maybe his editor still needs to be
customized more before we can get some of
those "tucked" away items such as the computer
and stuff...

nice work BTW

 

[Black Globe Generator]

Wow, them's some guns.



I assume that the standard stateroom attempts to compensate for the psychological effects of being locked in a pressurized cannister for a week or more. It's quite big compared to something like a cruise ship cabin, but then again one can't simply step outside for a walk on the deck and feel the breeze in one's face (and only those who grow up on airless worlds or orbital habitats won't miss that feeling). Perhaps this represents what Imperial psychologists recommend as the minimum space requirement for humans travelling by starship?

I think Korben Dallas' flat in The Fifth Element is one of the best attempts at creating the look and feel of housing in the far future.

 

[BetterThanLife]

As far as scale goes, the male in each of these pictures is approximately 6' the Females are tall at about 5'10" Or about 183cm and 178cm. Ceiling height, to the Ceiling not the light fixtures, runs about 2.75m. Much lower and you are not going to want to stay in there much. Further you have to take into account Aslan and Sydites and other minor races which are taller than Human Norm. (I personally am 6'6" or about 2m, and the concept of having a ceiling less than 7' is not one I would ever design into a ship.) I lived in a house that had 7' ceilings on one floor, I stayed off that floor, even though there was plenty of headroom, it didn't feel comfortable. I can't see a Sydite or especialy an Aslan being happy with a ceiling height less than 2.75m.

 

[BetterThanLife]

Originally posted by Black Globe Generator:
Wow, them's some guns.



I assume that the standard stateroom attempts to compensate for the psychological effects of being locked in a pressurized cannister for a week or more. It's quite big compared to something like a cruise ship cabin, but then again one can't simply step outside for a walk on the deck and feel the breeze in one's face (and only those who grow up on airless worlds or orbital habitats won't miss that feeling). Perhaps this represents what Imperial psychologists recommend as the minimum space requirement for humans travelling by starship?

I think Korben Dallas' flat in The Fifth Element is one of the best attempts at creating the look and feel of housing in the far future.

Well they do say that 1/5th G is at least as good as a Bra.

As far as sizes of Cruise ship cabins, wouldn't that depend on what class you were traveling?

Remember that a ticket for one jump costs more than a Admiral with 30+ years service gets in retirement pay for a year!

 

[BetterThanLife]

Originally posted by sid6.7:
okay i hate to say it but you just have to stop
doing this i'm old and my heart is fragile and
i'm gonna have a heart attack sooner or later...

anwho it does seem a little more spacious
then i thought it would be but then its not
THAT big really...we also have to remember
that maybe his editor still needs to be
customized more before we can get some of
those "tucked" away items such as the computer
and stuff...

nice work BTW

Thanks. I am saving the high tech displays that I have for the Bridge. Not sure what I am going to do about Engineering, or even if I am actually going to seriously tackle it.

Scout Ship Bridge should probably be next, but I am not sure I can get the angled windows right.

 

[Blue Ghost]

My 2Cr; I always pictured the stateroom to be a little brighter; i.e. white plastic paneled walls with fluorescent lighting. Definately no bunk beds, unless it's a low berth and/or they're sealed with their own life support systems (remember the pic from the starship operator's manual).

Good pics though.

 

[jfetters]

Yeah, that is one of those things that I have always attributed to TL, cultural/regional tastes, or both.

For example, BTL's images there are what I would imagine a TNE Star Viking ship to look like. Granted, those rules make ships a lot more cozy than I would like, but because of space being at a premium, as well as frills, those images and walls are just about what I imagine a RC vessel to be like.

On the other hand, there are the pictures from the MT SOG. Those are, by comparison, extremely luxurious, even for crew standards. I think obviously, passenger rooms will have a much better level of comfort, but a lot of that also depends on the nature and mission of the vessel.

Warships will likely require double bunking, if not warm bunking.