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Khouth is a subsector Capital and an Importance 4 world without any X-Boat lines going to in on the map?
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In the 3rd Imperium the X-Boats have been redundant ever since the IN got Jump-5 couriers and the X-Boats weren't upgraded to J5. Jump-6 just made that even worse. Consequently X-Boat routes don't have to make sense; they're the results of 400 years of being nothing but a boondoggle.
Even so, a subsector capital completely without X-Boat connections is pretty strange.
Hans
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Not THAT strange in Corridor sector. Lemish is not on the trade routes either.
There is an solo challenge adventure where the player and his xboat jump into hostile vargr invaded territory. As I recall it wasn't on the xboat route.
I have misgivings about the xboat routes; routes that should connect, routes to no where, and missing routes. Hopefully, DonM will address them during the evaluation of the star map.
I try and connect all type A starports more than two hexes apart, using lower quality ports as necessary. Starport type is a decent proxy for importance, and I figure trade between closer worlds will diffuse information quickly, so the Imperium only needs to fund the longer/less profitable hops.
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I didn't mean to make anyone change the map. I was just asking.
Drakon
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Well, they are looking at upgrading and fixing errata in the Travellermap database anyway. You are not making anyone change the map, but the map is being upgraded anyway, and some bugs are noted in the x-boat route.
Not THAT strange in Corridor sector. Lemish is not on the trade routes either.
Lemish is strange too.
Hans
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Strangeness factor 8 :devil:
Yeah it's pretty good.
Perhaps I should change mine...
The Corridor has one third the stars, 15 named fleets and the largest base. In space, no one can hear them growl, carry a big stick.
Oops, we're off topic. Signatures are not in scope.
Those Xboat routes, strange stars and UWPs. Need those fixed.
20 numbered fleets in two named fleets (The Corridor Fleet and The Corridor Fleet
).Hans
Some of the existing Xboat routes are just plain strange.
Marc likes the odd ones. Somewhere years ago I drew up a completely different set of jump-4 routes for the Domain of Deneb because the official ones annoyed me so much.
What I tried to do with guesswork, T5's Importance and GT:FT's WTN now give real numbers for, so if I run that campaign again (5FW, but the rimward subsectors of the Marches, the "unsung trade war" because all the big ships are in the coreward subsectors, nothing under 5K in size), I need to redo all my routes.
Hmm... this thread has really run off the rails of semi-officialness, and I certainly did my part to help!
Marc likes the odd ones. Somewhere years ago I drew up a completely different set of jump-4 routes for the Domain of Deneb because the official ones annoyed me so much.
What I tried to do with guesswork, T5's Importance and GT:FT's WTN now give real numbers for, so if I run that campaign again (5FW, but the rimward subsectors of the Marches, the "unsung trade war" because all the big ships are in the coreward subsectors, nothing under 5K in size), I need to redo all my routes.
Hmm... this thread has really run off the rails of semi-officialness, and I certainly did my part to help!
Sorry about that. I forgot what thread we were in when I replied to Ken's question. Perhaps one of the moderators can extract the irrelevant posts and put them into a separate thread?
Hans
Sorry about that...
When I suggested earlier that that x-boat routes need to be revisited, I meant there should be more. Routes would not get within a few sectors of each other without linking up. Or backtrack for a great distance. They should logically fan out. Going somewhere unusual is fine. One could suggest parsecs have ion clouds or unstable space in certain parsecs, but that becomes an addition to the original starmap work. Along with missing other astrological bodies like, rogue planets, etc..
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If Marc wants an X-Boat Route going to Khouth that's good; I'm fine either way. Maybe it was just too out of the way Coreward?
Please don't change the importance, RUs or anything like that.
P.S. sorry for the earlier off-topic post
Please don't change the importance, RUs or anything like that.
P.S. sorry for the earlier off-topic post
The original and allegedly still current purpose of the X-Boat network is to connect Capital with the sector and subsector capitals. That's what it's FOR! Khouth is not too out of the way; it is one of the specific targets for the network. It's extremely difficult to imagine any justification for not connecting to every single subsector capital. If you go with the notion that the X-Boats are a huge, functionally irrelevant boondoggle by the Classic Era, it is theortically possible that it could skip a capital and no harm done, but it would look extremely peculiar. I think that just for the sake of appearances, the X-Boat oligarchs would include them all. It's a real belief-suspender-straining feature that Khouth doesn't have an X-Boat connection. Even a redundant one.
Yes, I really think that the lack of an X-Boat connection to Khouth is a bona fide issue for this thread.
Hans
The xboat routes hail from a variety of sources. (It's all tracked in the metadata if you pull up the files.) Much is from TD, which had xboat route maps for each featured sector. Some, like Old Expanses, were done by third parties looking at the problem one subsector at a time, so they're quite cluttered. Others are from mismatching eras - for example, Gushemege is based on 4I routes from 1248!
Corridor in particular is a blend of 1120 data from TD#18 and 1105 data from Memory Alpha. In the former, Khouth may have fallen to Vargr incursions.
I've been trying to preserve the published data (with annotations) but everything should really be taken with a grain of salt.
Corridor in particular is a blend of 1120 data from TD#18 and 1105 data from Memory Alpha. In the former, Khouth may have fallen to Vargr incursions.
I've been trying to preserve the published data (with annotations) but everything should really be taken with a grain of salt.
Thank you for the revelation about the Xboat routes. I feel... freed
Since this thread has gotten polluted, and off track, but yet is an interesting read, I'll open a new one with some much more specific rules as soon as I turn over the current dataset.
I don't want to close this one yet, since it will be probably another week before I am ready to do that, so let's ramble here, and when I'm ready, we'll have updates at travellermap.com and a new thread to complain about it.
Since this thread has gotten polluted, and off track, but yet is an interesting read, I'll open a new one with some much more specific rules as soon as I turn over the current dataset.
I don't want to close this one yet, since it will be probably another week before I am ready to do that, so let's ramble here, and when I'm ready, we'll have updates at travellermap.com and a new thread to complain about it.
Memory Alpha is one of the adventures I don't have, but from what I've read it is a Milieu 0 adventure set in Core, so I don't understand what it has to do with Khouth Subsector. Are you thinking about some other adventure?
If all we have on the X-Boat routes in Khouth Subsector is 1120 data, it seems quite simple to make up some suitable ones for the 1105 period.
Assuming you want to run an X-Boat connection from Kaasu (Corridor 1209), the capital of the neighboring Khukish Subsector, to Khouth (0104), the astrography is such that even though the distance is only 11 parsecs, you need four links. So one possible route would be Kaasu - Drayne (0910), Drayne - Mowanda (0709), Mowanda - Caulins Belt (0307), and Caulins Belt - Khouth.
(This is one route where a J5 link or a strategically placed deep space X-Boat station would shorten communications by a jump).
Hans
Sorry, I should clarify. The FFE reprint "Double Adventures 1-6+: The Classic Short Adventures" includes (as part of the +) a version of Memory Alpha updated to 1110 and set in Corridor. It includes two maps - a copy of Corridor from AotI (square hexes), and a more detailed map (with hexagonal hexes) that include some xboat routes spanning the coreward part of the sector - nothing to Khouth, though.
The intro states "This short adventure was originally produced by Game Designers' Workshop as a tournament adventure played at GenCon and Origins in 1984. A variant was produced for the T4 edition of Traveller (set in the early Imperium)."
So... Memory Alpha gets around a lot.
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