Perhaps this should stay open for general changes discussion. I assume next time you only want specific detailed changes and the reasoning?
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Perhaps this should stay open for general changes discussion. I assume next time you only want specific detailed changes and the reasoning?
One more: TD#3 also gives routes for Corridor. These ones DO have a route branching through Khouth!
Reconciling this is on the TODO list, which reminded me: https://trello.com/c/zKc3UIif
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Wow I didn't mean to start something...
Haha just was curious.
Thanks
Haha just was curious.
Thanks
... and I've swapped the TD#3 ones into place, as they seem to make the most sense.
Looking at travellermap.com...
COR1511 depot is a protected "military only" system.
The x-boat route goes through it. I don't recall if it's stated anywhere, but I always used x-boat routes as commercial traffic routes. This is one of those touchy spots, it's because the routers should have A, B, C starports. Buagki, an amber zone (COR1112), becomes a hub instead of Kaasu. Military should have couriers also running through routes (J6) between navy bases and don't really need to be on all routes. But if a depot is on the route its a quick way for the Service to allert the navy to problems.
Vland Depot has routes through it. Ok, maybe x-boats can travel through military systems. Yes a huge gap between Core and Vland on no route completions. With only 4 parsecs apart in spots. I have 2 explanations probably not for this thread. (Interesting)
Lishun Depot does not have a gas giant (I thought it did. Will need to check DGP). But it's not on the X-boat route. An Arkash to Dadugi route is needed.
Don, If you're creating a new thread we might want an approach like this. So they can be easily reviewed by sector. People could add to the list for no repeats. Then they could be approved / disapproved.
Suggestions:
COR1511 depot is a protected "military only" system.
The x-boat route goes through it. I don't recall if it's stated anywhere, but I always used x-boat routes as commercial traffic routes. This is one of those touchy spots, it's because the routers should have A, B, C starports. Buagki, an amber zone (COR1112), becomes a hub instead of Kaasu. Military should have couriers also running through routes (J6) between navy bases and don't really need to be on all routes. But if a depot is on the route its a quick way for the Service to allert the navy to problems.
Vland Depot has routes through it. Ok, maybe x-boats can travel through military systems. Yes a huge gap between Core and Vland on no route completions. With only 4 parsecs apart in spots. I have 2 explanations probably not for this thread. (Interesting)
Lishun Depot does not have a gas giant (I thought it did. Will need to check DGP). But it's not on the X-boat route. An Arkash to Dadugi route is needed.
Don, If you're creating a new thread we might want an approach like this. So they can be easily reviewed by sector. People could add to the list for no repeats. Then they could be approved / disapproved.
Suggestions:
- Add Kaasu (CORR1209) to Draaaku Elka (CORR1409) to Naadi (CORR1711) x-boat
- Drop Buagki (Corr1112) to Depot (Corr1511) x-boat
- Add red zone Depot (COR1511)
- Add TL F Depot (COR1511)
- Add Niirka (Vland 0422) to Gaazum (Vland 0923) x-boat
- Vland Depot (Vland2728), a red zone, has routes through it.
- Add Icuspin (Vland2931 ) to Tamayo (Vland 3232) x-boat
Not on the map that someone put up on the wiki. Assuming whoever got his information from somewhere canonical (not necessarily the case, I know), there is at least one version where the X-Boat routes don't go through Depot/Corridor.
There's a statement about X-Boat routes also being major trade routes. We had a spirited discussion about that on these boards a year or two ago. My opinion is that the statement, while canonical, can't be right, because major trade routes would use J2 and J3 jumps whereas X-Boat routes (are supposed to) use J4 jumps.
One of the problems with generating UWPs randomly and failing to vet them. If you have two worlds lying eight parsecs apart with an intermediat world four parsecs from both and a reason to connect them using J4 X-Boats, you would place an X-boat station on the intermediate world, regardless of its starport class.
It would be a quick way to alert the Navy if the Service used J6 X-Boats. As it is, the X-boats are pretty much irrelevant there too, possibly barring a few rare situations.
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Lemishian issues
I note that Memory Alpha says Lemish is am M5V and an M2V star. Travellermap says M1V and M2V star. As newly minted baron of Lemish, I started worldbuilding, using the Travellermap data. I would respectfully request that the stars for Lemish stay what they are. Personally I do not believe they need to change from the present travellermap.com data.
Post 1115, I am a bit confused. Travellermap and Memory Alpha state the population of Lemish as 1 million, ie, a population of 6 (millions) and a factor of 1. During either the Vargr raids in 1117 and 18, after the Imperium left, and/or during the Virus attack in 1130, a million Lemishi are killed. If there are only a million Lemishi to begin with, well, you can see the problem. I am unsure how to fix this. Saying the population is "really" 1.9 million seems kind of a cheat.
Obviously a larger population would increase the military and tax budgets and allow better defenses of the system.
I note that Memory Alpha says Lemish is am M5V and an M2V star. Travellermap says M1V and M2V star. As newly minted baron of Lemish, I started worldbuilding, using the Travellermap data. I would respectfully request that the stars for Lemish stay what they are. Personally I do not believe they need to change from the present travellermap.com data.
Post 1115, I am a bit confused. Travellermap and Memory Alpha state the population of Lemish as 1 million, ie, a population of 6 (millions) and a factor of 1. During either the Vargr raids in 1117 and 18, after the Imperium left, and/or during the Virus attack in 1130, a million Lemishi are killed. If there are only a million Lemishi to begin with, well, you can see the problem. I am unsure how to fix this. Saying the population is "really" 1.9 million seems kind of a cheat.
Obviously a larger population would increase the military and tax budgets and allow better defenses of the system.
No it isn't. That's how the population multiplier is defined. A multiplier of 1 indicates any number from 1 up to but not including 2.
Hans
They start rebuilding, so both numbers are too low. The max population drop would be 25%.
DonM, Khurkish needs a Navy Base. Survival Margin mentions a request for the home fleet. I am surprised Kaasu does not have one either. Sector/subsector capitals should have them I would think with a max of 4 per subsector.
Sector and subsector capitals certainly should have Imperial Navy assets stationed and the facilities to support them. The problem is that there are quite a few subsector capitals that does not have naval bases, so if you go that route, you have to correct quite a few UWPs.
My suggestion for Khukish and Kaasu would be that for historical reasons the Imperial Navy has had a closer than average relationship to the planetary navies of those two worlds and has been using the planetary naval bases directly, thus obviating any need for separate IN bases.
That explanation won't work for worlds with less than TL15 facilities, but both Khukish and Kaasu are TL15.
Note that if you do chose to put IN naval bases on all subsector capitals that currently don't have them, you won't hear any protests from me.
Hans
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Khouth (sector capital) does not have a Naval Base or Scout Base. But it doesn't have a gas giant either.
It doesn't have an Imperial Navy naval base, but logically it must have the facilities to support its own planetary navy. Logically every world with the tech level and the tax base to have a planetary navy must have a planetary naval base. (Possibly called something else, although I can't think of a suitable alternate term).
Hans
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That's what I was thinking.
Khouth and Khurkish are subsector capitals, Kaasu is sector capital reaching TL16.
I think everyone sees my point. The hub of sector, subsector 3I power should be backed with a navy base. Some of the locations don't make a lot of sense.
We need primary and secondary bases for each numbered fleet and reserve fleet. That being said, some locations are very interesting.
It would be nice in the expanded view sheet if the fleet number and HQ location we're noted for players.
In Survival Margin, Khurkish asks for the 984th reserve fleet to be deployed. This is interesting. And should be discussed in another thread.
I am doubting the 4 bases per subsector philosophy. It should have been 2-3 bases.
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That's a strange setup (though not unique). Usually the capital of the subsector duke that is also sector duke is both sector and subsector capital.
Hans
It's a strange sector and we need to keep many of the Quirks. Period.
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I don't want to get off topic but what is the difference in Research Stations?
RsA
RsB
RsD
RsE
etc...
RsA
RsB
RsD
RsE
etc...
I wasn't suggesting we change it, I was highlighting something that could do with an explanation.
We ought to keep anything we can come up with a workable explanation for1. We need to change anything we can't come up with a workable explanation for. Period, as you so eloquently put it.
1 Which quite likely includes the split subsector/sector capitals.
Hans
Maybe it has a planetary Naval Base large enough as to serve also as IN Base, and being joint used. I guess the map just shows IN Bases, and such one could not be counted among them.
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