The 200 ton Yacht design contest!
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Here is another small Yacht, 150 dt. Designed in "High Guard Shipyard" years ago when I did a yacht deck plan based of of the drawings in "Scouts and Assassins". The deck plan is on the Apocrypha v2 disk from FFE, file 301PPc.
Ship: Type S Class: Type SY
Type: Small Yacht Architect: Peter Vernon
Tech Level: 14
USP
SY-1421221-030000-20002-0 MCr 70.528 150 Tons
Bat Bear 1 1 1 Crew: 4
Bat 1 1 1 TL: 14
Cargo: 7.500 Passengers: 8 Fuel: 33 EP: 3 Agility: 1 Pulse Lasers
Craft: 1 x 5T Air/Raft
Fuel Treatment: Fuel Scoops and On Board Fuel Purification
Architects Fee: MCr 0.705 Cost in Quantity: MCr 56.422
Detailed Description
(High Guard Design)
HULL
150.000 tons standard, 2,100.000 cubic meters,
Close Structure Configuration
CREW
Pilot, Steward, Medic, Gunner
ENGINEERING
Jump-2 (4.5 DTons), 1G Manuever (3 DTons), Power plant-2 (9 DTons),
3.000 EP, Agility 1
AVIONICS
Bridge (20 DTons), Model/2 Computer (2 DTons)
HARDPOINTS
1 Hardpoint (1 DTon)
ARMAMENT
1 Triple Mixed Turret with:
1 Pulse Laser (Factor-2)
1 Missile Rack (Factor-2).
DEFENCES
1 Sandcaster in the Mixed Turret, organised into 1 Battery (Factor-3)
CRAFT
1 5.000 ton Air/Raft (Crew of 0, Cost of MCr 0.000)
FUEL
33 Tons Fuel (2 parsecs jump and 28 days endurance)
On Board Fuel Scoops, On Board Fuel Purification Plant (7 DTons)
MISCELLANEOUS
16 Staterooms (64 DTons), 4 High Passengers, 4 Middle Passengers,
7.500 Tons Cargo
USER DEFINED COMPONENTS
None
COST
MCr 71.233 Singly (incl. Architects fees of MCr 0.705), MCr 56.422 in Quantity
(Hardpoints and Turrets charged)
CONSTRUCTION TIME
49 Weeks Singly, 39 Weeks in Quantity
COMMENTS
Stretched Version of the Serpent Class Scout based on a side-view
sketch in Scouts and Assassins. This design is a take off that just seemed to
present its self.
Ship: Type S Class: Type SY
Type: Small Yacht Architect: Peter Vernon
Tech Level: 14
USP
SY-1421221-030000-20002-0 MCr 70.528 150 Tons
Bat Bear 1 1 1 Crew: 4
Bat 1 1 1 TL: 14
Cargo: 7.500 Passengers: 8 Fuel: 33 EP: 3 Agility: 1 Pulse Lasers
Craft: 1 x 5T Air/Raft
Fuel Treatment: Fuel Scoops and On Board Fuel Purification
Architects Fee: MCr 0.705 Cost in Quantity: MCr 56.422
Detailed Description
(High Guard Design)
HULL
150.000 tons standard, 2,100.000 cubic meters,
Close Structure Configuration
CREW
Pilot, Steward, Medic, Gunner
ENGINEERING
Jump-2 (4.5 DTons), 1G Manuever (3 DTons), Power plant-2 (9 DTons),
3.000 EP, Agility 1
AVIONICS
Bridge (20 DTons), Model/2 Computer (2 DTons)
HARDPOINTS
1 Hardpoint (1 DTon)
ARMAMENT
1 Triple Mixed Turret with:
1 Pulse Laser (Factor-2)
1 Missile Rack (Factor-2).
DEFENCES
1 Sandcaster in the Mixed Turret, organised into 1 Battery (Factor-3)
CRAFT
1 5.000 ton Air/Raft (Crew of 0, Cost of MCr 0.000)
FUEL
33 Tons Fuel (2 parsecs jump and 28 days endurance)
On Board Fuel Scoops, On Board Fuel Purification Plant (7 DTons)
MISCELLANEOUS
16 Staterooms (64 DTons), 4 High Passengers, 4 Middle Passengers,
7.500 Tons Cargo
USER DEFINED COMPONENTS
None
COST
MCr 71.233 Singly (incl. Architects fees of MCr 0.705), MCr 56.422 in Quantity
(Hardpoints and Turrets charged)
CONSTRUCTION TIME
49 Weeks Singly, 39 Weeks in Quantity
COMMENTS
Stretched Version of the Serpent Class Scout based on a side-view
sketch in Scouts and Assassins. This design is a take off that just seemed to
present its self.
Good point, as long as you keep it in the main lanes, and for a rich noble of course (carried as freight is 200 kCr per jump)...
I'm still there with respect to lifeboats! Best of both worlds, 12 Emergency Low Berths in a compact lifeboat plus one for the pilot.
Lifeboat, Vehicle Auxiliary
8 ton, TL 12 Civilian Design, 7.36 MCr
1 crew (Command: 1+0)
Ton.___MCr.____EP.____
| _.__ | 0.48 | _.__ | Close Structure, partially streamlined, fuel scoops
| 0.50 | 0.03 | _.__ | 1 x control couch, no bridge
| 1.00 | 2.00 | _.__ | computer model 1, rated as model 0 (no bridge)
| 1.00 | 1.50 | _.__ | drive maneouver #1
| 1.00 | 3.00 | _.__ | power plant #1
| _.__ | _.__ | 0.08 | agility #1
| 1.00 | _.__ | _.__ | fuel, PP endurance 50 weeks (50 weeks powered down)
| 3.00 | 0.30 | _.__ | Emergency low berth x3 (12 people capacity)
| 0.50 | 0.05 | _.__ | low berth (for pilot)
‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒‒
| 8.00 | 7.36 | 0.08 EP used, PP generates 0.08 EPs
6.62 MCr (10% discount for standard design) built in 24 weeks
5.88 MCr (20% discount in volume, TCS) built in 20 weeks
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Under LBB2 '81 construction rules, it's cheaper to ship a Type Y over a Jump-2 or higher than to operate a Jump-2 ship that has everything a Type Y has (passengers, small craft, vehicles, 11Td cargo).
(The Cr1000-per-jump cargo rate rule is very, very broken.)
Nice minimalist lifeboat with wide applicability. I like it.
AnotherDilbert
SOC-14 1K
You can uprate the drives to make the M-drive cheaper. Cheaper (MCr 5.08 in quantity) and more functional (4 G), still the same size and capacity:
Code:
GL-0404401-000000-00000-0 MCr 6,4 8 Dton
bearing Crew=1
batteries TL=12
Low=1 Cargo=0 Fuel=1 EP=0,33 Agility=4
Single Occupancy 6,4
USP # Dton Cost
Hull, Part Streaml Custom 0 8
Configuration Close Structur 4 0,5
Manoeuvre D 4 1 1 0,5
Power Plant 4 1 1 3
Fuel, #J, #weeks J-0, 4 weeks 1
Bridge
Computer m/1 0 1 1 2
Couch 1 0,5 0,0
Low Berths 1 0,5 0,1
Low Berths Emergency 3 3 0,3
Nominal Cost MCr 6,36 Sum: 6,4
Class Cost MCr 1,33 Valid ≥0 ≥0
Ship Cost MCr 5,08At KCr 200 (remember all other costs, except fuel, are still there) per jump, how many jumps cheaper? And remember, in MgT (where my Yacht is based) costs for higher jumps are even higher...
I also believe the Yacht is too much stuffed with vehicles, as they may probably be rented if needed, so freeing ship space...
I agree there are some points brocken in LBB2, not only freight costs (after all, it was the first such system, and so had not the experience of previous ones). See that only the lower PP needs free 48 tons in MgT (enough to increase jumpt capacity), just to give you an example...
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Chesterton's Fence suggests that I try to understand how the Yacht fits in GDW's view of Traveller.
In other words, what sort of contract can I offer to a Noble character to make this a viable choice?
Quality trumps cost ("value").
This is the one ship that apparently doesn't care about the economic scale of things.
In other words, what sort of contract can I offer to a Noble character to make this a viable choice?
- Priority treatment
- Hassle-free travel
- Bring ALL your stuff
- High-skill Brokers and Traders and Admin and Advocates on tap
Quality trumps cost ("value").
This is the one ship that apparently doesn't care about the economic scale of things.
- The Yacht is about identity and personality and enjoyment.
- One's personal vehicles are very often tied up with your identity.
- If a passenger wants to bring along a special doodad that takes up a lot of space, then you as owner can leave behind one of your vehicles and stow it there.
- Cargo qua cargo really ought be shipped ahead via freighter.
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How about expeditions?
What about all the *stuff* you need to be safe in the wilderness?
Pirates?
Wild animals?
Environmental risk?
Supplies, logistics, the gritty details of planning and the junk you have to haul along?
***
I betcha that the noble would charter a second ship to carry the boring necessities. Hire a camel train to haul the trade goods along...
But... but the cost!!
Rule Number 1. Quality over Cost.. That applies to your experience as a noble.
It also hints about your standard of living.
What about all the *stuff* you need to be safe in the wilderness?
Pirates?
Wild animals?
Environmental risk?
Supplies, logistics, the gritty details of planning and the junk you have to haul along?
***
I betcha that the noble would charter a second ship to carry the boring necessities. Hire a camel train to haul the trade goods along...
But... but the cost!!
Rule Number 1. Quality over Cost.. That applies to your experience as a noble.
It also hints about your standard of living.
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Of course, that's one way of seeing it, and probably quite right in XXI century Solomani world (so current Real Life), when one can always return home in a private jet, but, in OTU, I see things different.
IMHO, the Yacht should offer
- an interstellar mobile home (and that includes taking most your stuff)
- agreed in priority treatment for the owner and guests (hence the high steward/luxuries level)
- possibility to move quick as your duties/needs demand (after all, nobles are also administrators and emisaires in 3I)
While in theory Yachts don't care about economics, in practice, at least at player level, they are a heavy load, as you must still pay its morgage and running costs, aside from making your life...
And even in current life, when in a Yact for pleasure, the noble/richman owner must renounce to some of his/her belongings, as even in nautical yachts space is at Premium.
In fact. I don't see the Yacht only as a pleasure thing, but also as a working tool, taking into account the niche Nobles play in OTU (or at least in how I understand it), and as such also as a means of transport that allow unshceduled trips (something you cannot rely on comercial transport for), all of this in full confort and luxury, of course.
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You're right. I'm missing the fact that player characters are "Rare" instances of their careers. Player character nobles are quite often remittance men, bankrupt, assets frozen, diplomatic poison, ne'er-do-wells, political anathema...
Which means they suddenly care about paying bills.
And that's where the second role of the yacht kicks in: the "(risky) diplomatic mission".
This is also where the Yacht's design becomes flexible for the player. It's designed to not care about wealth, but now the player lacks limitless resources. Managing that tension might be important.
Note that the rare case of a Noble-Who-Must-Think-Economically means the Yacht is not designed "for him". He must adapt it to his purpose.
My list for the Noble player character is now:
Which means they suddenly care about paying bills.
And that's where the second role of the yacht kicks in: the "(risky) diplomatic mission".
This is also where the Yacht's design becomes flexible for the player. It's designed to not care about wealth, but now the player lacks limitless resources. Managing that tension might be important.
Note that the rare case of a Noble-Who-Must-Think-Economically means the Yacht is not designed "for him". He must adapt it to his purpose.
My list for the Noble player character is now:
- No mortgage (subject to the chargen process of course)
- Priority treatment at starports
- Hassle-free travel e.g. no customs harassment
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12 ELBs! ah you mean 3 ELBs, capacity 4 people, got it!
T5 offers an Emergency Capsule: 1 ton, 10 people for up to 15 days, MCr1.
Here's a 5 ton minimalist thing with the same capacity, airframe but only tiny emergency-powered lifters -- in short, a one-way controlled flight down to the surface.
10 tons but "5 tons undertonned", so 5 tons actual displacement. Drop the cargo hold to get to 4 tons.
MCr 4.5
Code:
Tons Component MCr Notes
------- ----------------------------------- ----- --------------------
(10) Airframe Hull, lifters, 0 a/l free 2.7 A, lifters, 0 a/l free
3 3x Emergency Low Berth 1.5 #3 4 individuals
1 Cramped Bridge 0.3 1cc 1op 0ws
1 Cargo Hold Basic 0AnotherDilbert
SOC-14 1K
Eh, no?
J-1, operating cost (without jump fuel) kCr 148 / jump (two weeks)
Code:
YL-2311111-000000-00000-0 MCr 52,7 200 Dton
bearing Crew=4
batteries TL=12
Pass=10 Cargo=13 Fuel=50 EP=2 Agility=1
Single Occupancy LBB2 design 13 56,7
USP # Dton Cost
Hull, Part Streaml 200 Dt 2 200
Configuration Cylinder 3 8
Jump Drive A 1 1 10 10
Manoeuvre D A 1 1 1 4
Power Plant A 1 1 4 8
Fuel, #J, #weeks J-2, 4 weeks 2 50
Bridge 1 20 1
Computer m/1 1 1 1 2
Staterooms 14 56 7
Cargo 13
Empty hardpoint 1 1 0,1
Ship's Boat 30 Dton 1 30 16
Air/raft 4 Dton 1 4 0,6
ATV 10 Dton 1 10 0,0
Nominal Cost MCr 56,73 Sum: 13 56,7
Class Cost MCr 4,41 Valid ≥0 ≥0
Ship Cost MCr 52,72
Crew & High 5 Crew Bridge 1
Passengers Mid 5 4 Engineers 1
Low 0 Gunners 0
Extra SR 0 Frozen Service 2
Estimated Economy of Ship Standard
Ship price Down Payment Mortgage Avg Filled
MCr 52,72 kCr 10 544 kCr 220 0%
Expenses per jump Revenue
Bank Cr 105 440 High Cr 0
Fuel Cr 5 000 Middle Cr 0
Life Support Cr 28 000 Low Cr 0
Salaries Cr 7 200 Cargo Cr 0
Maintenance Cr 2 109
Berthing Cr 200
Summa kCr 148 kCr 0J-2, operating cost kCr 330.
Code:
YF-43212R1-000000-00000-0 MCr 116 400 Dton
bearing Crew=6
batteries TL=12
Pass=10 Cargo=119 Fuel=100 EP=8 Agility=1
Single Occupancy LBB2 design 119 126,8
USP # Dton Cost
Hull, Part Streaml 400 Dt 4 400
Configuration Cylinder 3 16
Engineering 9
Jump Drive D 2 1 25 40
Manoeuvre D B 1 1 3 8
Power Plant D 2 1 13 32
Fuel, #J, #weeks J-2, 4 weeks 2 100
Bridge 1 20 2
Computer m/1bis R 1 1 4
Staterooms 16 64 8
Cargo 119
Empty hardpoint 2 2 0,2
Ship's Boat 30 Dton 1 30 16
Air/raft 4 Dton 1 4 0,6
ATV 10 Dton 1 10 0,0
Nominal Cost MCr 126,83 Sum: 119 126,8
Class Cost MCr 12,12 Valid ≥0 ≥0
Ship Cost MCr 115,81
Crew & High 5 Crew Bridge 2
Passengers Mid 5 6 Engineers 2
Low 0 Gunners 0
Extra SR 0 Frozen Service 2
Estimated Economy of Ship Standard
Ship price Down Payment Mortgage Avg Filled
MCr 115,81 kCr 23 162 kCr 483 0%
Expenses per jump Revenue
Bank Cr 231 620 High Cr 0
Fuel Cr 50 000 Middle Cr 0
Life Support Cr 32 000 Low Cr 0
Salaries Cr 11 520 Cargo Cr 0
Maintenance Cr 4 632
Berthing Cr 400
Summa kCr 330 kCr 0Shipped J-1 ship: kCr 148 + kCr 200 = kCr 348 per jump.
J-2 ship: kCr 330 per jump.
The J-2 ship is cheaper per jump, even with a larger crew. And I haven't even considered the extra 100 Dt the J-2 ship has over...
The biggest issue is that the ship has to be 400Td to fit all the non-essential elements of a Type Y (9 passenger staterooms plus one for the steward, all the carried craft/vehicles, and 11Td cargo).
While it seems obvious in retrospect, there was no explicit provision for an enclosed and pressurized air/raft in the original rules. As such, on-world travel on worlds with unbreathable atmospheres would have required an ATV (or vacc suits, but that would be très déclassé for a yacht owner).
The fuel burn rules in MgT fix the rules problem, but not by simply cutting the fuel requirement. They fixed it by making power plant fuel consumption proportional to power plant output instead of power plant rating. The latter makes fuel consumption dependent on hull size -- the same Size C power plant could have required anywhere from 10 to 60 tons of fuel per month depending on what ship you put it in! (Another way to describe it is as ranging from 1.67-60% of tonnage...)
Then the way to give j2 to such a ship is reducing some of those elements (IMHO the vehicles)
But in this planet you can nearly sure rent this vehicle (more so if we asume as it seems budget is not a great problem), and probably it would be better adapted to the specific environment/tech of this specific planet (e.g. to have spares if you have a breakdawn).
Fully agreed here.
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You're paying the higher operational costs while loitering at the destination, too.
That's Cr3250/week more in salaries and Cr63,090/week more in mortgage, making the total weekly cost differential while stationary Cr66,340. For a J-2 trip with a one-week layover and a J-2 back, shipping is Cr27,000 cheaper.
But yeah, I hadn't included that when I ran the numbers the first time.
That's how I'd do it if I were designing it.
A very good idea. The only complications are that bringing your own vehicle might be part of how you're impressing the locals, or suitable vehicles may not be there if they have a low TL and a poor starport. I agree it usually wouldn't be a problem.
Supp. 4 Nobles who get a Yacht during mustering-out get it free and clear. This changes in later versions.
But yes, a wealthy layabout now needing to "earn an honest living" makes an entertaining campaign hook.
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