The Imperial Corridor Fleet

[Drakon]

Oh with the Taarskoerzn navy also wiped out a million people on Lemish.

Yipes! There are only 1 million people on Lemish. At least in 1105.

Of course, when 1248 was in development, I could not convince anyone how ridiculous this was. I also said that the Rapid Repo mission was rather inaccurate and nothing more than a smash and grab at some Depot System facilities.

I read your website, which is great. If I understand you, the Vaenggvae raided Ender, got their butts handed to them, but got away with enough booty from Gas Giant Station to declare victory?

It appears that the Commonwealth expanded riftward, at least at first. When did they try to re establish contact with Lemish?

 

[savage]

Yipes! There are only 1 million people on Lemish. At least in 1105.
I read your website, which is great. If I understand you, the Vaenggvae raided Ender, got their butts handed to them, but got away with enough booty from Gas Giant Station to declare victory?

It appears that the Commonwealth expanded riftward, at least at first. When did they try to re establish contact with Lemish?

Thank you I appreciate it. It's over 10yrs old I was going to do a T5 reboot in a web game but T5 has issues.

Lemish lost 1 million in the massacre. They destroyed the starport and industrial complex.

IMTU the players never made it there. They worked on Spinward expansion to grab worlds before Regency settlers. Canon Depots are too small to support the abilities they claim. The Grand Depot design (not 3I public knowledge), I formulated, consisted of replicated facilities as one element. GGS was one base in many. The Vargr corsairs took Sefke Depot as well giving them adequate leverage. They did not get the mothball fleet.
They bluffed their way forward while continuing to attack the mainworld of Enders (Depot Prime). Virus ended their bid for empire. Kaasu is the main antagonist with a higher tech Virus presence. Regency is completely corrupt. When they threw off the nobles it took a similar track as Russia. Vland as the right idea but not enough firepower. They purchase heavily from the Commonwealth.

Also, Rapid Repo is a must read for Corridor Depot.

 

[Drakon]

Lemish lost 1 million in the massacre. They destroyed the starport and industrial complex.

Well darn it. That is not good.

Vland as the right idea but not enough firepower. They purchase heavily from the Commonwealth.

Also, Rapid Repo is a must read for Corridor Depot.

This is a whole new area to investigate now. Request pointing in the right direction for this sources?

I have to admit that I never really knew much about the 3rd Imperium prior to the T5 Kickstarter. I haven't played much since the kids were little, and even then it was a home brew sector. This will make for some great stories.

 

[rancke]

This means that 500 TL13 or lower corsair ships, after months of battle, assaulted the Depot system, wiped out elements of the Reserve fleet, and the 70th Security Fleet. Passed or destroyed outer defenses and captured a TL15 Naval Depot with planetary defenses...yeah right. Oh with the Taarskoerzn navy also wiped out a million people on Lemish.

I don't know how things went down, so all this is surmise, but I think that what happened was that the MT team started out creating as many different Rebellion factions as they could come up with. So they said "...and the Vargr invade Corridor" without really thinking about the ramifications. Later they were stuck with defending that basically indefensible position. Snapshots of the Occupation in MTJ2 is one long list of special circumstances, low-probability events and no-probability events. The system defenses of a high-population TL15 world is dismissed as "the scattered fleet elements left to [Sector Duke Criston]". There's a world that wasn't really conquered, it invited some Vargr to come defend it; another that was betrayed by the ruler's brother; one was left alone by the Vargr in return for servicing their ships; a couple hadn't actually been conquered at all (Well, admittedly that one isn't low-probability ). And then there's the Defeat of Depot that you mention. :nonono:

[I'm not getting sucked into discussing the historical Vargr invasion of Corridor yet again. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not!! ]


Hans

 

[Drakon]

[I'm not getting sucked into discussing the historical Vargr invasion of Corridor yet again. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not!! ]


Hans

My apologies, I am simply trying to find out as much information that is out there about my own little neck of the black. This is all new to me and fasinating. You've obviously had more time to analyze the story more so than I have.

 

[Dagrill]

You don't have to go that far. Who could psionically mind control a Vargr? You don't need to control all Vargr, just a few important leaders. Being a charisma based culture can be useful.

I was assuming, which is a dangerous thing to do I know, that all leaders would have some sort of psionic protection, if not from the psionic vargr empire...

regards

David

 

[Dagrill]

It seems to me that the Japanese took out Pearl Harbor with a much smaller fleet. Fanaticism and strategy can go a long way.

I don't see this as analogous, the Japanese didn't occupy Pear Harbour and reactivate all the sunk ships, nor did they take out the carrier fleet that just happened to be away on manoeuvres,

Regards

David

 

[Dagrill]

Does Argentine have the strength to conquer Rhode Island? I think it does. I also think that there's no chance that they'll ever try and no chance that the other 49 states would let it. I don't see the rationale for Argentine attacking Rhode Island, and I'm pretty sure it won't be done. And it's not just the sanity of a Vargr attack on Corridor that I question, it's the means and the determination to do so.
Hans

Actually, it's more like Argentina and all the other Spanish speaking South American countries getting together and invading Florida, but styill as unlikely to happen

Regards

David

 

[Dagrill]

Getting a combined Vargr fleet large enough to take on the Imperium may be similar to getting all the Greek city-states to contribute to one gathered to defend against the Persians.

So likely to happen every couple of centuries? ;-)

Regards

David

 

[Dagrill]

IMTU Vargr pre-MT pocket empire client states we're buying TL13 3I ships. It is a huge status symbol.

I offered to do at least one T5 book on this but got the cold shoulder, so I just went about my other projects.

Hi,

I followed the link to Royal Naval academy, is this something you are selling,
as the web site wasn't great?

Regards

David

 

[LeperColony]

Conceptually, is the Corridor Fleet more of a strategic reserve against the Zhodani, or is it needed to prevent Vargr conquest?

I realize, of course, that it can serve both functions, but what is its primary mission?

 

[Condottiere]

Do the Corgis maintain lines of communication for re-supply, or do they just replenish stocks from each world they plunder?

 

[Dagrill]

[I'm not getting sucked into discussing the historical Vargr invasion of Corridor yet again. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not!! ]
Hans

Hi,

know the feeling, also I'm thinking the average multi-million credit starship doesn't have a big red start button (and if it does is probably the self-destruct),
and isn't as easy to steal if your technology is lower, bit like stone age man trying to steal a car.

Regards

David

 

[McPerth]

Conceptually, is the Corridor Fleet more of a strategic reserve against the Zhodani, or is it needed to prevent Vargr conquest?

I realize, of course, that it can serve both functions, but what is its primary mission?

My guess is that its main mission is to keep the communications with the territories Behind the Claw open, and so the deffense of Corridor sector, mostly against Vargr raiders.

Of course, its secondary misión as strategic reserve (and not only to reinforce the Marches) is also in the mind of IN planners...

 

[tjoneslo]

Conceptually, is the Corridor Fleet more of a strategic reserve against the Zhodani, or is it needed to prevent Vargr conquest?

I realize, of course, that it can serve both functions, but what is its primary mission?

It's primary missing is a strategic reserve against the Zhodani. This policy was implemented following the 4th Frontier War when the Imperials realized their technological advantage over the Zhodani wasn't as great as they previous thought.

I have no doubt that the fleet also serves as a deterrent too.

 

[rancke]

Conceptually, is the Corridor Fleet more of a strategic reserve against the Zhodani, or is it needed to prevent Vargr conquest?

I realize, of course, that it can serve both functions, but what is its primary mission?

That was the impetus for this discussion, a remark of mine that questioned if the 16 regular fleets stationed in Corridor were really needed to keep the Ravening Vargr (tm) at bay. If they are, only the four-fleet Corridor Fleet is a reaction force; if they're not, all 20 fleets are potential reinforcements (Though perhaps doctrine could be to leave behind several fleets to keep the Vargr at bay -- it's not a question of either/or; Sector Command could send off fewer than all 16). GDW appear to go with them being necessary, which I tend to doubt very much is actually "realistic"^*.

^* Quotation marks around 'realistic' to indicate that it's a fictional reality. But fictional or not, I would really prefer that it made sense to me. ​

Hans

 

[savage]

Hi,

I followed the link to Royal Naval academy, is this something you are selling,
as the web site wasn't great?

Regards

David

d'Agrillac, This free, html website is 12 years old. Geez. I do hope your comment is about the site itself. This was 5 years before you joined COTI.
No not selling the website information it was put together strictly for my campaign and available for free. I stopped work on it when T20 began to slide thanks to MgT and Hunter's health.
However, I did a large number of T20 ships which many people used since Hunter was not producing a dedicated starship book for 1-2 years. What you may have misunderstood is my recent inquiry. I asked Marc if there was interest in more detailed books on Corridor, Vargr space and Depots. The website represents a portion of what I developed.

 

[Drakon]

I asked Marc if there was interest in more detailed books on Corridor, Vargr space and Depots. The website represents a portion of what I developed.

There is some interest, apparently

 

[savage]

; a couple hadn't actually been conquered at all (Well, admittedly that one isn't low-probability ). And then there's the Defeat of Depot that you mention. :nonono:

[I'm not getting sucked into discussing the historical Vargr invasion of Corridor yet again. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not!! ]


Hans

Yep we agree completely. I must have missed a few conversations. Hence, I pieced together an acceptable explanation. Like the Zulu nothing is impossible, although highly improbably.

The open ended discussion of Corridor Fleet moving to support Lucan is the question. How much did he take? We don't know.
As mentioned, I had my own view.

 

[savage]

That was the impetus for this discussion, a remark of mine that questioned if the 16 regular fleets stationed in Corridor were really needed to keep the Ravening Vargr (tm) at bay. If they are, only the four-fleet Corridor Fleet is a reaction force; if they're not, all 20 fleets are potential reinforcements (Though perhaps doctrine could be to leave behind several fleets to keep the Vargr at bay -- it's not a question of either/or; Sector Command could send off fewer than all 16). GDW appear to go with them being necessary, which I tend to doubt very much is actually "realistic"^*.

^* Quotation marks around 'realistic' to indicate that it's a fictional reality. But fictional or not, I would really prefer that it made sense to me. ​

Hans

They also need to patrol the rift and probably more than one squadron peacekeeping mission into Vargr space. Depots have extra fleets: security, etc. The Corridor Fleet comprised elements of the entire sector fleet.