That is my take on the topic.
Why not the Solomani?
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That is my take on the topic.
Doesn't canon pretty clearly describe the Solomani as governed by a one-party authoritarian state that uses SOLSEC as its enforcement arm, with wide judicial and what to us would be widely practiced extrajudicial powers?
What date would be applicable for this? If the Terrans spread unevenly, heading into Vilani space at a 2:1 rate compared to moving rimward from the home system, wouldn't that indicate that a lot of space on the far side of Sol from the 3I would have been explored and settled some time ago? Or has an assumption been made that since canon focused on the Imperium side of space so did everyone else?
Timerover51
SOC-14 5K
Just look at the Traveller Map. Basically, there is not a lot of canon planets out there, and I am putting a sector even farther out. Once you are Rimward of the Solomani Rim supplement, there is not a lot there. In addition, if the much of the area requires Jump-2 or better to operate in, that will slow expansion a bit in the early stages. I have star systems 4 or 5 parsecs from the next closest system in my Out Rim Sector.
Soooo, is that:
- No, there wouldn't have been much if any exploration and more at all there during the Rule of Man, none in the Long Night, and little if any over the 3000 years of the existence of the 3I, because nothing in canon says much about it.
- Over that extended period of time there could have been some exploration, but I'm unsure about making any sort of call about it IMTU
- Okay, that's a long time for the back end of Solomani space just to sit there, and it's unrealistic that no-one would ever try to explore, settle and exploit the region, so I'll go with the idea that it could have been over the 4000+ years available for that to have happened in.
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Oh, well, if you believe that Imperial propaganda....
Fair point.
Hail Hydrrrrr, er, The Solomani Party!!
mike wightman
SOC-14 10K
The long night is one of the biggest red herrings of the OTU.
It is so named because the Vilani Empire, that was later temporarily overseen by the Terrans, came to an end and the worlds of the Vilani Imperium turned insular and stopped trading over sector wide distances.
Meanwhile in the Terran region there was no 'long night' as such and many Earth derived polities/pocket empires sprang up over the years. One of these even extended their reach into Aslan space and began the border wars, while exploration in the other direction lead to contact with the Hive Federation.
The CT Solomani Alien module is very cleverly written.
The history section is actually mostly written from 'Solomani left in the Imperium' perspective - the same people on Sylea who would eventually claim their legitimacy in declaring a new Imperium thanks to their Solomani descent - there is always a section at the end that points out what was happening in and around Terran space.
Which basically was the continued expansion of the Terran civilian merchant fleet and the settlement of new worlds and polities.
Fast forward to MT and the Rats and Cats module - the Solomani Rimward Expeditions is something I have toyed with for years. You have to be careful to ignore GURPS ATU canon - the alien races they introduce to Rimward have no place in the OTU and should be officially recognised as non-canonical.
There are some hints in the T5/Traveller map as to what awaits to Rimward, and MgT Great Rift supplement - while it isn't going to mention the Solomani Rimward Expeditions - will provide many of the tools needed to flesh out such a grand expedition/adventure.
It is so named because the Vilani Empire, that was later temporarily overseen by the Terrans, came to an end and the worlds of the Vilani Imperium turned insular and stopped trading over sector wide distances.
Meanwhile in the Terran region there was no 'long night' as such and many Earth derived polities/pocket empires sprang up over the years. One of these even extended their reach into Aslan space and began the border wars, while exploration in the other direction lead to contact with the Hive Federation.
The CT Solomani Alien module is very cleverly written.
The history section is actually mostly written from 'Solomani left in the Imperium' perspective - the same people on Sylea who would eventually claim their legitimacy in declaring a new Imperium thanks to their Solomani descent - there is always a section at the end that points out what was happening in and around Terran space.
Which basically was the continued expansion of the Terran civilian merchant fleet and the settlement of new worlds and polities.
Fast forward to MT and the Rats and Cats module - the Solomani Rimward Expeditions is something I have toyed with for years. You have to be careful to ignore GURPS ATU canon - the alien races they introduce to Rimward have no place in the OTU and should be officially recognised as non-canonical.
There are some hints in the T5/Traveller map as to what awaits to Rimward, and MgT Great Rift supplement - while it isn't going to mention the Solomani Rimward Expeditions - will provide many of the tools needed to flesh out such a grand expedition/adventure.
Condottiere
SOC-14 5K
The Confederation is like the United Federation of Planets.
Condottiere
SOC-14 5K
The Confederation Navy is basically Starfleet, since they're tasked with doing both Navy and Scout missions.
But with Marines.
But with Marines.
So, FASATrek, then.
Condottiere
SOC-14 5K
Keep calm, we come in peace, it is our profession.
mike wightman
SOC-14 10K
Not in canonical material it isn't, there is a great difference between the UFP and the Solomani Confederation.
Sadly board rules concerning political discussions prevent me from discussing this further.
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Not necessarily. There are several aspects we can talk about. For example, according to DGP, it's an actual confederation. Many of the member states are themselves confederations. A lot of them seem to be ethnically based. Examples follow:
Boötean Federation (Solomani Rim)
Estados Unidos Grande de Quesada (Aldebaran)
Hanuman Systems (Langere)
Kostov Confederate Republic (Neworld)
New Slavic Solidarity (Magyar)
Old Earth Union (Solomani Rim)
Protectorate of Cthonia (Alpha Crucis)
Reformed Dootchen Estates (Magyar)
Third Reformed French Confederate Republic (Aldebaran)
Consolidation of Turin (Alpha Crucis)
Wuan Technology Association (Magyar)
The Wiki has a couple more listed along with brief information on all of them.
More on the Solos:
http://www.travellerrpg.com/CotI/Discuss/showthread.php?t=34977
http://www.travellerrpg.com/CotI/Discuss/showthread.php?t=34189
Not necessarily. There are several aspects we can talk about. For example, according to DGP, it's an actual confederation. Many of the member states are themselves confederations. A lot of them seem to be ethnically based. Examples follow:
Boötean Federation (Solomani Rim)
Estados Unidos Grande de Quesada (Aldebaran)
Hanuman Systems (Langere)
Kostov Confederate Republic (Neworld)
New Slavic Solidarity (Magyar)
Old Earth Union (Solomani Rim)
Protectorate of Cthonia (Alpha Crucis)
Reformed Dootchen Estates (Magyar)
Third Reformed French Confederate Republic (Aldebaran)
Consolidation of Turin (Alpha Crucis)
Wuan Technology Association (Magyar)
The Wiki has a couple more listed along with brief information on all of them.
More on the Solos:
http://www.travellerrpg.com/CotI/Discuss/showthread.php?t=34977
http://www.travellerrpg.com/CotI/Discuss/showthread.php?t=34189
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So it's a confederation of confederations. Lots of small starnations linked together under a higher government, with what are likely to be single worlds or systems also coming under the higher government if they're not part of a larger confederate, federal, commonwealth, soviet, collective, or corporate government?
If that's the case then how much power would the party have within the larger polities that exist as member states within the Confederation?
Correct.
Simple answer: It varies based on the polity in question. And there lies the politics within the Confederation.
pendragonman
Absent Friends Margrave
Recall if you will that the USSR was supposedly a confederation of Republics. Notice how they managed the facade by having only one legal, all powerful, political party.
Condottiere
SOC-14 5K
It's the People's Republic of Solomani.
But how much power did the individual SSRs have? Weren't they all operating within the strict constraints of law of the Union? Too, even if they apparently had elements of local independence they'd still have fallen into line as any dissenting politicians would have been removed by the internal security mechanism?
Theoretically SOLSEC could operate the same way. If there was a noisy politician within the Bootean League SOLSEC could smear their reputation locally or interfere in an election just enough to impact on their ability to gain or regain office. Or am I viewing through glasses more darkly than realistic?
The Federation is more like the Joe Danny Consulate.
Believe as we do, or you will be "corrected."
