AHL deckplans officially retconned?

[mike wightman]

Then they haven't looked at Marc's notes on his original drawing... available on DTRPG.

Just took a look at them - sure looks like Marc's original intent was a tail sitter, the bridge being under the dome and all.

So has Marc changed his mind or are the folks at Mongoose just making excuses about 'discussions with those in the know'?

 

[Spartan159]

/shrug Darned if I know, I for one am going to keep using my AHL/Arrival Vengeance deck plans

 

[RockyMountainNavy]

Just Say No (to 2E)

Yet another reason for me not to buy any further into the 2E line.

Nothing wrong with tail sitters. Does nobody here like Rocinante?

 

[aramis]

Yet another reason for me not to buy any further into the 2E line.

Nothing wrong with tail sitters. Does nobody here like Rocinante?

Matthew seems to have no respect for canon.

I'm glad he didn't get Star Wars nor Star Trek.

 

[GypsyComet]

I'm glad he didn't get Star Wars nor Star Trek.

Lucas/Disney and Paramount are much less... accepting... of mavericks.

 

[mike wightman]

Matthew seems to have no respect for canon.

I'm glad he didn't get Star Wars nor Star Trek.

I think part of the problem is trying to sneak them in via the back door.

The space combat rues in MgT HG2 are the most cinematic, 'unrealistic' version I have yet seen.
Fighters are the major deciding factor of battles at any TL now, what with their special snowflake bonuses while dogfighting... dogfighting in space lol.

Weapons systems such as the ion cannon - where the scientific tern ion is misused which is a big bugbear for me - and the tachyon cannon are listed in basic ship design.

 

[simonh]

I may be misremembering about the deck plans. Perhaps it was that the box art didn't match the plans? Or maybe I'm just getting old.

Simon Hibbs

 

[whulorigan]

I think part of the problem is trying to sneak them in via the back door.
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Weapons systems such as the ion cannon - where the scientific tern ion is misused which is a big bugbear for me - and the tachyon cannon are listed in basic ship design.

I'll keep my fingers crossed that those weapon systems are there as part of the "generic" rules, and that the forthcoming OTU Third Imperium Sourcebook will do what any good sourcebook does and spell out what systems are and are not used in the setting, as well as any modifications to existing rules.

But maybe I am just thinking wishfully . . .

 

[simonh]

I don't want to make this about T5, but as I understand it T5 also provides technological and other setting options not appropriate to the OTU. How does it handle this sort of delineation, for comparison?

Traveller has always been a toolkit for creating your own setting, as well as supporting the OTU.

Simon Hibbs

 

[robject]

I'll keep my fingers crossed that those weapon systems are there as part of the "generic" rules, ...

And OTU material, especially sourcebooks, now have to explicitly state what's kosher and what isn't.

Upon reflection, since the core rulebook is still Traveller, the non-Traveller material should have been labelled.

When Matt finally drops the Traveller name from the core rules, then all bets are off.

 

[mike wightman]

I don't want to make this about T5, but as I understand it T5 also provides technological and other setting options not appropriate to the OTU. How does it handle this sort of delineation, for comparison?

Traveller has always been a toolkit for creating your own setting, as well as supporting the OTU.

Simon Hibbs

Quite the opposite - T5 is the definitive guide to the OTU, Marc's novel uses quite a lot of the new stuff and will probably use more as the sequels come along.

 

[simonh]

Quite the opposite - T5 is the definitive guide to the OTU, Marc's novel uses quite a lot of the new stuff and will probably use more as the sequels come along.

Cool, thanks.


Simon Hibbs

 

[mike wightman]

And OTU material, especially sourcebooks, now have to explicitly state what's kosher and what isn't.

Upon reflection, since the core rulebook is still Traveller, the non-Traveller material should have been labelled.

When Matt finally drops the Traveller name from the core rules, then all bets are off.

MgT High Guard second edition opens with a section about the Third Imperium and its navy, it then fails to mention that many of the weapon options in the ship building rules are not available in the OTU. Some that are are hidden is later chapters as high technology options.

The 1105+ era is being re-written by Mongoose.

 

[whartung]

All he they had to do was not call this Azhanti High Lightning. They could have named it anything, but no. It would have been better if they had named it something else, then we'd have something new. We already have an AHL, why do we need another?

 

[robject]

Quite the opposite - T5 is the definitive guide to the OTU, Marc's novel uses quite a lot of the new stuff and will probably use more as the sequels come along.

Mike is quite right. There is "not yet" technology detailed further than most of the other Traveller rulebooks, but it's not adding things not intended for the OTU. There are no tachyon cannons, no transporters, no light sabers, no warp drive. There's not even stuff from other GDW games (no stutterwarp).

 

[aramis]

All he they had to do was not call this Azhanti High Lightning. They could have named it anything, but no. It would have been better if they had named it something else, then we'd have something new. We already have an AHL, why do we need another?

So true. But that's not how Mongoose operates.

 

[McPerth]

All he they had to do was not call this Azhanti High Lightning. They could have named it anything, but no. It would have been better if they had named it something else, then we'd have something new. We already have an AHL, why do we need another?

So true. But that's not how Mongoose operates.

Then I don't understand their commercial strategy.

By doing so, they risk alienating a part of old die-hards, while the newbees don't care about the name...

 

[aramis]

Then I don't understand their commercial strategy.

By doing so, they risk alienating a part of old die-hards, while the newbees don't care about the name...

There's a middle ground who don't know better, but will recognize the name from a little research.

Plus, there's the issue of, "too late to fix it now."

And, "The retailer's the one to take it in the shorts on returns." Mostly because the publisher has already been paid before the retailer ever sees product. In the games industry, there's no compulsory buyback from distribution of unsold product. Unlike the fiction and comics markets.

 

[McPerth]

There's a middle ground who don't know better, but will recognize the name from a little research.

SUre, but I guess most of them would have not cared if the name had been another one

Plus, there's the issue of, "too late to fix it now."

But not too late not to make similarmistakes latter...

And, "The retailer's the one to take it in the shorts on returns." Mostly because the publisher has already been paid before the retailer ever sees product. In the games industry, there's no compulsory buyback from distribution of unsold product. Unlike the fiction and comics markets.

But if a product does not sell, the retailers won't buy the next one related to it...

That's akin of what I told about T4:

My (not really educated) guess is that MT sold well in Barcelona, and when TNE appeared, shops were ready to invest on it. I guess it was a true fiasco, as most of Barcelona gaming groups and fans were in the torches and pitchforks side (yes, incluiding myself). So, again my guess, when T4 appeared, most shops showed little interest in investing on its products, and few of them reached those shops.

Such decisions are what might enlarge the torches and pithforks teams...

And I'm not sure about what percentage of its sales is on retail and what in direct electronic selling, that may well be affected by this and the oppinions given by people...

It's hard to build a good reputation and a fan base, not too hard to lose it...

 

[robject]

As long as the fans like Mongoose Traveller, there won't be a "problem" for anyone ... except, potentially, grognards. So in a sense it is indeed Mongoose which is re-framing the Traveller brand.