Amenities and Perks...
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Patron Zero
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Just my opinion but I'll take a 'bot' over a genetic/mind-engineered organic anytime.
My feelings based on a clever mechanic can cobble together a 'working' automobile from cast-off bits and salvaged parts of varying manufacturers, I've yet to see anyone patch together a 'viable' horse from whatever animal parts can be obtained from donors or other means.
My feelings based on a clever mechanic can cobble together a 'working' automobile from cast-off bits and salvaged parts of varying manufacturers, I've yet to see anyone patch together a 'viable' horse from whatever animal parts can be obtained from donors or other means.
My suspicion is a tech level 1 "mechanic" would be hard pressed to cobble together a working car from our cast-offs even if he were fortunate enough to get them all from the same manufacturer. Though we do seem to be making some advances in the genetic cobbling trade. Heard they have mice with see-through skin now for medical research.
Does that mean it couldn't be done, and done well, when there's technology developed that is just beyond our ability to conceive today?
I don't mean to be negative, but have you seen how much work it takes to jury-rig some automotive parts into a vehicle in a manner that would gain certification from automotive authorities? Something that's more than just a backyard hobby project other than by a boy born of immaculate conception who embodies The Prophecy of The One who will bring balance to the Farce?
Patron Zero
SOC-13
No worries, didn't take such as that, more-so what I meant was assembling a mechanical device, whether an automobile or a robot-drone-droid might be less of a challenge to a 'layman' engineer than to develop a suitable-stable form of artificial life for the purposes discussed.
I like machines because most have a convenient 'off' switch whereas it's frowned upon to power-down sentient living creatures in a like fashion.
Timerover51
SOC-14 5K
Getting back more to the original purpose of the thread, I can across this item while doing some research on World War 2 at achieves.org. Being a logistics-type, I immediately downloaded it and OCR-ed it for cutting and pasting. It does have sample menus for on week for 12 persons, which would be just about right for a Free Trader with passengers.
https://archive.org/details/FeedingInFlight
https://archive.org/details/FeedingInFlight
If you have a proper galley on board your ship this might work as well.
https://archive.org/details/TheCookBookOfTheUnitedStatesNavy1944
https://archive.org/details/TheCookBookOfTheUnitedStatesNavy1944
Timerover51
SOC-14 5K
I have that one on my computer, OCR-ed it so I could pull out data. If you look on Project Gutenberg, there is a lot of cookbooks online there. I have been mining those as well. I have this odd hobby of collecting old cookbooks, especially military ones. Have the US Army cookbooks, either in hard copy or downloaded from 1883, 1898, 1910, 1916, and 1944. Also the US Navy Mess Manual of 1904, and a collection of US Army recipes from 1906.
White House Cookbook from 1887
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/13923/13923-h/13923-h.htm
And no one should be without a copy of Mrs. Beeton
http://www.mrsbeeton.com/
And her US counterpart, Mrs. Eaton. Note, good drawing on the various cuts from animals, including venison. That might cross over to K'kree.
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/29084/29084-h/29084-h.htm
And for those who like theirs spicy and the Vargr, I give you the Curry Cook's Assistant.
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/34107/34107-h/34107-h.htm
Every once in a while, I actually cook something from them. I do have to eat my own experiments though.
And do not forget the Narnia cookbook and the unofficial Harry Potter cookbook.
Edit Note: Sorry for the long posts, but I do love to collect cookbooks.
sayatmenace
SOC-11
Terribly sorry to talk about human behavior in this hard-science family-friendly forum. No, seriously; I apologize.
shadowcat20
SOC-12
Not sure what series it was, but remember reading about carniculture (sp).
If they have cloning and can speed up the growth then why not grow fresh meat? It would be fresh and bloody for the aslans and not frozen or dehydrated for the rest. Take a few low berth tubes and make them growth vats. In a pinch the ships doctor can program them to grow replacement skin, nerves, organs, or even blood types.
For entertainment have one double sized stateroom for an entertainment room. Allow it to go zero G for some entertainment and high grav for workouts. Add holo walls for room size WII type systems to golf, shoot, or throw items. Maybe even big game hunting with a low power laser and sensors on the wall. Add a library drive for room comps and a bunch of vids and music to make staying in your room doable.
Then there are the daily classes.
Day 1 safety lecture
Day 2 How jump space works
Day 3 Ships tour by small groups (Non critical areas only)
Day 4 Passenger banquet and social hour
Day 5 Captains lecture on his travels and adventures (optional)
Day 6 Destination lecture with history and laws
Day 7 departing details and paperwork.
Add a 2 hour lecture per day and 4 hours for meals (1 for breakfast, 1 for lunch, 2 for formal dinner)add maybe a 2 hour cocktail party after dinner and that eats up a good chunk or their time right there.
8 hours sleep, 8 hours planned, and 8 hours of doing their own thing per day.
If they have cloning and can speed up the growth then why not grow fresh meat? It would be fresh and bloody for the aslans and not frozen or dehydrated for the rest. Take a few low berth tubes and make them growth vats. In a pinch the ships doctor can program them to grow replacement skin, nerves, organs, or even blood types.
For entertainment have one double sized stateroom for an entertainment room. Allow it to go zero G for some entertainment and high grav for workouts. Add holo walls for room size WII type systems to golf, shoot, or throw items. Maybe even big game hunting with a low power laser and sensors on the wall. Add a library drive for room comps and a bunch of vids and music to make staying in your room doable.
Then there are the daily classes.
Day 1 safety lecture
Day 2 How jump space works
Day 3 Ships tour by small groups (Non critical areas only)
Day 4 Passenger banquet and social hour
Day 5 Captains lecture on his travels and adventures (optional)
Day 6 Destination lecture with history and laws
Day 7 departing details and paperwork.
Add a 2 hour lecture per day and 4 hours for meals (1 for breakfast, 1 for lunch, 2 for formal dinner)add maybe a 2 hour cocktail party after dinner and that eats up a good chunk or their time right there.
8 hours sleep, 8 hours planned, and 8 hours of doing their own thing per day.
ost Mcr.0.05 per 1.5 tons.
This is one of the Deluxe accommodations i added to my book...It seemed like a few better tan average ship facilities would be a good idea. Most of the newer facilities can be combined with other facilities to make a combination room...just total up the tonnage, and pay the cost and yer done.
Not everything was my idea I did find similar add-ons in other books to use as guides...I've tried to keep it consistent so there should be no major conflicts with other sourcebooks.
Entertainment Suite
A large, well appointed area, taking up the size of a standard stateroom. this space has many interactive holo visual systems, games, multipurpose areas and a large sunken sitting area for guests and passengers.
Often, systems and devices are hidden and controlled by a small remote, or voice controls operating while completely concealed if possible.
An entertainment Suite can be used by four persons comfortably, and may be combined with larger areas, or other entertainment suites if desired. Usually access to an entertainment suite Grants a DM+1 to any Steward Skill rating for attracting passengers, or keeping the crew and passengers from becoming bored, or dissatisfied during long voyages.
4 tons,
Mcr 1
Bar
Starships carrying passengers or crews who can afford the expense and space, sometimes like to enjoy a fine adult beverage, a smoke, or conversation in comfort. The bar, or salon, allows these leisure activities without intruding on or, disrupting other passengers or crewmen.
Bars are fitted with small, well stocked supply of alcohol, glasses, and other supplies to allow a wide variety of alcoholic and non alcoholic beverages to be prepared and served. In addition, they have soundproofing, and a negative pressure system, fitted with specialized scrubbers, to remove the pollutants, and smells of smoking from the air without impacting the ships primary life support systems.
0.5 tons per occupant
Cost: 0.001 Per Ton.
I suppose if you wanted a zero Gee room You could set aside a portion of the ship..say a fifteen by fifteen by eight foot room, which is a little over 3.6 tons..add in room for partitions, then turn add a bit of software to the grav-plate controls in the area....Presto, a zero Gee pool.
around 4 tons, maybe Cr 10,000 for lighting padding, and specialized software for the grav plates...and you can combine it into large pools or set up around the bar area making it an 8 ton zero gee bar.
This is one of the Deluxe accommodations i added to my book...It seemed like a few better tan average ship facilities would be a good idea. Most of the newer facilities can be combined with other facilities to make a combination room...just total up the tonnage, and pay the cost and yer done.
Not everything was my idea I did find similar add-ons in other books to use as guides...I've tried to keep it consistent so there should be no major conflicts with other sourcebooks.
Entertainment Suite
A large, well appointed area, taking up the size of a standard stateroom. this space has many interactive holo visual systems, games, multipurpose areas and a large sunken sitting area for guests and passengers.
Often, systems and devices are hidden and controlled by a small remote, or voice controls operating while completely concealed if possible.
An entertainment Suite can be used by four persons comfortably, and may be combined with larger areas, or other entertainment suites if desired. Usually access to an entertainment suite Grants a DM+1 to any Steward Skill rating for attracting passengers, or keeping the crew and passengers from becoming bored, or dissatisfied during long voyages.
4 tons,
Mcr 1
Bar
Starships carrying passengers or crews who can afford the expense and space, sometimes like to enjoy a fine adult beverage, a smoke, or conversation in comfort. The bar, or salon, allows these leisure activities without intruding on or, disrupting other passengers or crewmen.
Bars are fitted with small, well stocked supply of alcohol, glasses, and other supplies to allow a wide variety of alcoholic and non alcoholic beverages to be prepared and served. In addition, they have soundproofing, and a negative pressure system, fitted with specialized scrubbers, to remove the pollutants, and smells of smoking from the air without impacting the ships primary life support systems.
0.5 tons per occupant
Cost: 0.001 Per Ton.
I suppose if you wanted a zero Gee room You could set aside a portion of the ship..say a fifteen by fifteen by eight foot room, which is a little over 3.6 tons..add in room for partitions, then turn add a bit of software to the grav-plate controls in the area....Presto, a zero Gee pool.
around 4 tons, maybe Cr 10,000 for lighting padding, and specialized software for the grav plates...and you can combine it into large pools or set up around the bar area making it an 8 ton zero gee bar.
What about simply utilising pre-packed meals for middle passengers? They're purchased in bulk at any decent starport, menu's designed for a week of eating, three to however many meals a day with menus for specific racial/cultural/religious requirements, and whoever's got Steward duty doesn't spend hours each day simply preparing meals. Of course for high passage one could expect fresh rats. Uh, fresh rations.
Great list of activities, but a cocktail party every night? That might grow a bit thin on medium sized vessels. Movies and holos would be a standard option too.
In most editions, there's no difference in the costs to the ship for low vs high passengers; this would imply no difference in food.
Timerover51
SOC-14 5K
Not a bad list of classes, especially the one for Day 6, along with the passenger mixer. Not sure about the formal dinner every night and ditto the cocktail party. That might take place on a large liner, but not the typical mixed passenger-cargo ship.
As for carniculture, H. Beam Piper mentions that a lot.
That would be one way of doing it, especially for special diets. I was thinking more of the WW2 US 10-in-1 ration for middle passengers and crew, with something like a "Class A" ration for the ship's captain and high passengers. I do have quite a few menus for both covering a month at a time. It would depend on how much detail you want to go into and if you play with the starship economics in your Traveller Universe.
"How do I like the Job? Pay sucks, the ship stinks, the First Mate is a jerk....But The captain springs for fresh food, and the cooks good!..Heck we had steak the last run...least I think it was steak...<scratches head>...may have been one of those bull lizards we saw around the starport.....hell, who cares it was meat."
I can see cooking on a spaceship having the same issues as cooking on a submarine or small seagoing vessel. It wouldn't be an issue to live on something other than pre-pack on the average two week flight.
It doesn't take much space, to store two weeks worth of regular food, a refrigerator, and freezer unit would take up less than a a cubic meter is about 35 feet of space....more than enough for a small crew and a few passengers.
Dry goods such as flour, beans, rice, noodles etc would keep nicely even without cold storage, as would most veggies...just keep them in a cool dry place and two weeks is not a problem.
Also a small induction type cooking surface would be enough to cook basic meals. so you could wedge a small kitchenette (stove, sink, dishwasher, storage) into the same space as a normal stateroom without a problem.
If there is any sort of agriculture on a planet you can pick up groceries while the ship is laid over to unload and waiting for a new cargo.However the sort of food you would be able to cook is kind of an issue, fried foods would generate airborne grease the scrubbers would have to deal with.
Boiling liquids would be a hazard if the gravity went out or the ship experienced some minor buffeting from a maneuver or engine shudder...so any sort of boiling liquids would need specialized cookware that would be spill proof and secured to a solid surface.
soups, stews, salads, and noodle dishes might be a staple for travel, roast,grilled, or other grease/spatter free meats would be a good choice as well.
of course if there are no fresh raw foods available at the last stop, te crew is down to the pre-pack foods, with a bit of grumbling over the poorer fare.
"Great, B'eff'ee again ....I hate that run, two freaking weeks of meal in a bag..."
I can see cooking on a spaceship having the same issues as cooking on a submarine or small seagoing vessel. It wouldn't be an issue to live on something other than pre-pack on the average two week flight.
It doesn't take much space, to store two weeks worth of regular food, a refrigerator, and freezer unit would take up less than a a cubic meter is about 35 feet of space....more than enough for a small crew and a few passengers.
Dry goods such as flour, beans, rice, noodles etc would keep nicely even without cold storage, as would most veggies...just keep them in a cool dry place and two weeks is not a problem.
Also a small induction type cooking surface would be enough to cook basic meals. so you could wedge a small kitchenette (stove, sink, dishwasher, storage) into the same space as a normal stateroom without a problem.
If there is any sort of agriculture on a planet you can pick up groceries while the ship is laid over to unload and waiting for a new cargo.However the sort of food you would be able to cook is kind of an issue, fried foods would generate airborne grease the scrubbers would have to deal with.
Boiling liquids would be a hazard if the gravity went out or the ship experienced some minor buffeting from a maneuver or engine shudder...so any sort of boiling liquids would need specialized cookware that would be spill proof and secured to a solid surface.
soups, stews, salads, and noodle dishes might be a staple for travel, roast,grilled, or other grease/spatter free meats would be a good choice as well.
of course if there are no fresh raw foods available at the last stop, te crew is down to the pre-pack foods, with a bit of grumbling over the poorer fare.
"Great, B'eff'ee again ....I hate that run, two freaking weeks of meal in a bag..."
shadowcat20
SOC-12
Piper...makes sense have star viking and a few fuzzy books around here someplace.
Cocktail idea was more of a space filler. Make it a week long card/chess/comp game tourney to keep people focused and amused. OK..Second thought... 3D movie every night in the lounge with a bar avalible and snacks.
But yeah, this would be for a larger 1KT plus liner of a more formal company. I suspect a free trader passenger may have meals with the crew more like Firefly. At least Mid passage, maybe they would have to take turns cooking. High passage may get meals served in their quarters if they wish.
Cocktail idea was more of a space filler. Make it a week long card/chess/comp game tourney to keep people focused and amused. OK..Second thought... 3D movie every night in the lounge with a bar avalible and snacks.
But yeah, this would be for a larger 1KT plus liner of a more formal company. I suspect a free trader passenger may have meals with the crew more like Firefly. At least Mid passage, maybe they would have to take turns cooking. High passage may get meals served in their quarters if they wish.
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The posters here who are in favor of the pre-pack meals basically would have their ship crews and passengers eating worse than the crews of WW II submarines did. And the subs were out from base for months without needing replenishment of stores. Some things like milk and fresh fruits and vegetables might run out but they still ate fairly good.
