Some Refs find that a cause of cognitive dissonance. I, myself, am one of those.
Building a ship from the crew up
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Some Refs find that a cause of cognitive dissonance. I, myself, am one of those.
AnotherDilbert
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Like it or not, it's what LBB5 says.
I can certainly sympathise with your cognitive dissonance, but if we are sticking to RAW they are available.
This is my first completed attempt at the design, trying to stay completely within LBB2(81)
Ship Design 1A (LBB 2, 1981)
Ship Name: Althea Darién (formally the Roglud IV)
Class: Centaur (formally Bishop)
The ship was originally built at a TL12 facility and was a bulk commercial (agricultural) cargo ship operated by VanDunler Ag (CoIT registration number 01542-2547-28). Reconfigured to be a Field Ambulance of the IRS at a TL13 facility
Hull number H-0978 (IRS registry 37_23_D09-H0978)
4,000dT (this would be code D by LBB5)
Hull: Streamlined (cylinder LBB5)
Drives:
Jump Drive Z, 125 dT
Maneuver Drive Z, 47 dT
Power Plant Z, 73 dT
The ship was fitted with an Auxilliary Power Plant, type V, 61 dT. This PP is not directly connected to the ships maneuver or jump drive systems and is only used to proved emergency power to the ship’s medical facilities and critical life support systems
Fuel Capacity: 1640 dT (plus, in emergencies, fuel can be created from the 60 dT of fresh water storage tanks. 200,000 gallons of fresh water which is continuously reprocessed by the ship's water purification system) – ship includes fuel scoops and fuel purification plant
The ship has a main bridge , 80 dT and an auxiliary command center which can function as a second bridge in emergencies, 20 dT. There are two computers on board, a Model 2bis for the ship controls and engineering spaces, and a second model 2bis(s) for exclusive use by the Field Ambulance, 4 dT
The ship has crew spaces for 40 (7 command staff, 21 engineering personnel, and 12 deck crew). The crew staterooms are considered “premium” by IRS standards, but in some deployments the ship crew is increased by as many as 24 individuals forcing “double Bunking” – 160 dT
Medical Staff is a full Field Ambulance Battalion, and 400 dT is allocated for the living spaces for this Battalion
Medical Facilities occupy 500 dt of the ship’s interior
The ship carries 4 modular cutters, eight modules, and ten GCarriers assigned to the Field Ambulance Battalion, while the ship also has two Ship’s Boats, and six life boats – 550 dT
Finally the ship has cargo space totaling 300 dT
The ship has no Hard Points, is unarmed, and unarmored.
If I’ve done my math correctly the ship is 4,000 dt total, capable of two Jump-2 maneuvers, and can operate for up to 16 weeks independently
Ship Design 1A (LBB 2, 1981)
Ship Name: Althea Darién (formally the Roglud IV)
Class: Centaur (formally Bishop)
The ship was originally built at a TL12 facility and was a bulk commercial (agricultural) cargo ship operated by VanDunler Ag (CoIT registration number 01542-2547-28). Reconfigured to be a Field Ambulance of the IRS at a TL13 facility
Hull number H-0978 (IRS registry 37_23_D09-H0978)
4,000dT (this would be code D by LBB5)
Hull: Streamlined (cylinder LBB5)
Drives:
Jump Drive Z, 125 dT
Maneuver Drive Z, 47 dT
Power Plant Z, 73 dT
The ship was fitted with an Auxilliary Power Plant, type V, 61 dT. This PP is not directly connected to the ships maneuver or jump drive systems and is only used to proved emergency power to the ship’s medical facilities and critical life support systems
Fuel Capacity: 1640 dT (plus, in emergencies, fuel can be created from the 60 dT of fresh water storage tanks. 200,000 gallons of fresh water which is continuously reprocessed by the ship's water purification system) – ship includes fuel scoops and fuel purification plant
The ship has a main bridge , 80 dT and an auxiliary command center which can function as a second bridge in emergencies, 20 dT. There are two computers on board, a Model 2bis for the ship controls and engineering spaces, and a second model 2bis(s) for exclusive use by the Field Ambulance, 4 dT
The ship has crew spaces for 40 (7 command staff, 21 engineering personnel, and 12 deck crew). The crew staterooms are considered “premium” by IRS standards, but in some deployments the ship crew is increased by as many as 24 individuals forcing “double Bunking” – 160 dT
Medical Staff is a full Field Ambulance Battalion, and 400 dT is allocated for the living spaces for this Battalion
Medical Facilities occupy 500 dt of the ship’s interior
The ship carries 4 modular cutters, eight modules, and ten GCarriers assigned to the Field Ambulance Battalion, while the ship also has two Ship’s Boats, and six life boats – 550 dT
Finally the ship has cargo space totaling 300 dT
The ship has no Hard Points, is unarmed, and unarmored.
If I’ve done my math correctly the ship is 4,000 dt total, capable of two Jump-2 maneuvers, and can operate for up to 16 weeks independently
mike wightman
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Type Z drives are TL15, so they would need to be imported from somewhere if you want the ship constructed at TL12.
AnotherDilbert
SOC-14 1K
I get something like this (presuming the 8 modules are 4 in the cutters and 4 extra):
Not quite 300 Dt cargo, I believe you have miscalculated the boat bay?
Not quite 300 Dt cargo, I believe you have miscalculated the boat bay?
First - I cannot find the restrictions or references to TL in my 1981 copy of LBB2
Yes, I did miss something when calculating the ship's boats - and another book 2 issue I see for the first time is that carrying ship's boats is not stated to be at 110% of their tonnage, only that "sufficient" space be allowed - hmmmm
Yes, I did miss something when calculating the ship's boats - and another book 2 issue I see for the first time is that carrying ship's boats is not stated to be at 110% of their tonnage, only that "sufficient" space be allowed - hmmmm
mike wightman
SOC-14 10K
It's in the TL chart in LBB:3.
There is no extra space requirement for small craft in LBB:2 - that ws a LBB5 invention.
There is no extra space requirement for small craft in LBB:2 - that ws a LBB5 invention.
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thank you Mike
I think i'll fudge the TL requirement by writing in a "constructed with imported drives" hand wavium paragraph
And reduce the Ship's Boats by one 30 dT craft and one lifeboat to get back to 300 dT of cargo
I began a rough sketch, in AutoCad, of the Hull today, and a draft of the ship's roster and Field Ambulance Org Chart
I have he first three major plot elements for the adventure outlined. Thanks every one
Should I take a shot at trying a LBB5 version to see how I can fit the same things into a 4000dT hull? I'm afraid the drives will eat up too much of the interior.
I think i'll fudge the TL requirement by writing in a "constructed with imported drives" hand wavium paragraph
And reduce the Ship's Boats by one 30 dT craft and one lifeboat to get back to 300 dT of cargo
I began a rough sketch, in AutoCad, of the Hull today, and a draft of the ship's roster and Field Ambulance Org Chart
I have he first three major plot elements for the adventure outlined. Thanks every one
Should I take a shot at trying a LBB5 version to see how I can fit the same things into a 4000dT hull? I'm afraid the drives will eat up too much of the interior.
martletsquire
SOC-12
LBB2 drives in LBB5 hulls make some sense. Hear me out.
It's like COTS with our current military. The LBB5 drive is a custom designed drive using custom designed components, maybe only using 30% commercially available pieces-parts. So, you can specify a custom drive, giving you custom fit and custom performance in your custom ship. Which allows you to build that 910 ton ship, rather than a 900 ton or a 1000 ton. Bad side is that custom components require custom manufacturing, which comes at a custom price.
The LBB2 drives are the same basic drives from a long time ago, slowly improved with improved components that fit into the exact darned spot as the 500yo or 1000yo original component. (Kinda like putting platinum plugs into your 1932 Ford engine, because you can and they work better...) And parts are available everywhere.
In my campaign, I provided access to old military hulls that had their LBB5 mil-drives pulled, along with all other mil components - sensors, comps, weapons, etc. The bare hull was available. One could then put LBB5 drives, with, of course, considerate lesser performance. (If one goes from TL15/14 to whatever the LBB2 drive could do.) Or one could order up a commercial drive at cost, or find some scrapped drive and get it fixed and put in.
It's like COTS with our current military. The LBB5 drive is a custom designed drive using custom designed components, maybe only using 30% commercially available pieces-parts. So, you can specify a custom drive, giving you custom fit and custom performance in your custom ship. Which allows you to build that 910 ton ship, rather than a 900 ton or a 1000 ton. Bad side is that custom components require custom manufacturing, which comes at a custom price.
The LBB2 drives are the same basic drives from a long time ago, slowly improved with improved components that fit into the exact darned spot as the 500yo or 1000yo original component. (Kinda like putting platinum plugs into your 1932 Ford engine, because you can and they work better...) And parts are available everywhere.
In my campaign, I provided access to old military hulls that had their LBB5 mil-drives pulled, along with all other mil components - sensors, comps, weapons, etc. The bare hull was available. One could then put LBB5 drives, with, of course, considerate lesser performance. (If one goes from TL15/14 to whatever the LBB2 drive could do.) Or one could order up a commercial drive at cost, or find some scrapped drive and get it fixed and put in.
